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I feel Apple has lost its alignment with me and other long-time customers

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Re: I feel Apple has lost its alignment with me and other long-time customers

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Post by flohofwoe »

snowwrestler wrote: post #89

> it’s a company that I feel has lost its alignment with me and other long-time Apple users and customers. When OS X debuted there was a daytime radio talk show in my area called “The Computer Guys.” They capably covered all sorts of computing topics, but were clearly long-time Apple dudes. And they spent weeks complaining about what a disaster OS X was. The Dock was useless and violated Apple’s HIG. The Finder made…

> The Finder made all the same mistakes as Windows did.

Tbf, the Finder is still crap (if only it would be nearly as good as Windows Explorer was in its heyday I would probably use it more), and the UNIX terminal is pretty much needed to make a Mac usable in the first place - which is fine though, because the UNIX-ness was exactly why I switched to Mac ;)

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Post by rifty »

ars wrote: post #95
snowwrestler wrote: post #89

> it’s a company that I feel has lost its alignment with me and other long-time Apple users and customers. When OS X debuted there was a daytime radio talk show in my area called “The Computer Guys.” They capably covered all sorts of computing topics, but were clearly long-time Apple dudes. And they spent weeks complaining about what a disaster OS X was. The Dock was useless and violated Apple’s HIG. The Finder made…

> And a text terminal? Like DOS?? Who the hell is ever going to want to use that on a Mac? Me. I have to use a Mac at work, and I use the text terminal more than anything else on the computer. It doesn't help that Mac's don't have a good UI, everything is hidden behind extra key-presses, and switching between windows is a PAIN. On a mac every window for an app is considered the same, so there's no concept of switchin…

> When a window is in the background it doesn't receive clicks, so you have to click on it twice.

This is sort of true but the full truth is less straight forward.

On unfocused apps you can still send through scrolling and (mostly) perform single clicks with command + click... you can also without focus send single clicks to certain controls the developer has ad hoc allowed 'click through' on...

For mouse oriented users I'd recommend trying a focus follows mouse experience like AutoRaise [1]. But I mean, it's not like this solution existing absolves Apple of the broader criticism here about what they prioritize and deprioritize for the default user interface experience.

[1] https://github.com/sbmpost/AutoRaise

Re: I feel Apple has lost its alignment with me and other long-time customers

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Post by ur-whale »

> it’s a company that I feel has lost its alignment with me and other long-time Apple users and customers.

I have been forced, for professional reasons, to use Apple laptops for close to 10 years of my professional career, about half of which was actually spent being a full time employee of Apple itself (and absolutely not by choice, M&A + golden handcuffs type situation).

They never, ever, did care about their customers other than ensuring that all of their products had an inescapable vendor lock-in built-in (and that is both and insider view and that of someone who had no choice but to be a user because my next employer after Apple was an effing osx-only shop)

They are most excellent at pretending that they care though, I'll give them that.

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Post by nixosbestos »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #206
wvenable wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If the latest product seems good, buy it. If not, don’t. There is another aspect to this though. As a user of an ecosystem, you're committed in many ways. As Apple or Microsoft or Google releases a new version of their operating system you're going to run that on hardware you already own. You're going to run software that you already own on that the OS. And you're doing to use skills and knowledge of that software…

I’m a long time Apple user. But I never do anything that locks me into Apple in a way that makes me dependent on Apple. I could move to Linux tomorrow and everything I depend on would be fine. There’s no Apple service I actually need. I think Google and Android is worse in this way. The backup Android I had years ago forced me to login with my Gmail or I couldn’t use it. My old iPhone happily runs without being logge…

... That's theft protection, and iphones have similar mechanisms. You do not need to sign in, even to a pixel, to use it. Granted you won't get the app store, but you don't get that on iphone either.

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Post by thiht »

kshacker wrote: post #194
Mistletoe wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people that I know laughed heartily at the orange.

I am one of those buying orange. Never went for colors, always deep blue or grey, but both my son and I went for orange. And not even politically connected. Just liked the color.

What would it have to do with politics?

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Post by adastra22 »

kshacker wrote: post #209
adastra22 wrote: post #159

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Vision Pro's only problem is the price. At $1k I think we would see a lot more adoption. I say this as a former skeptic and who gets VR sickness from other AR/VR devices, and hates the idea of strapping a device to my face and being isolated from my surroundings. I got an AVP for work (long story), and was blown away. No VR sickness. I can work from anywhere with my laptop while enjoying a massive, wrap-around high r…

From what I have heard, it weighs on you. Maybe you can tolerate for an hour, and maybe you can do more than me, but I think the weight is the second parameter which puts off people. Reduce weight by 1/3 and same thing for the price, and I will likely buy it.

Fair.

Getting a correctly sized light shield helps a lot as it balances the weight over your whole face. Also helpful is having the strap ride a lot higher on the back than you would think is right -- it always feels way too high, but is held in place better when I do this, and feels lighter (as some of the strain is taken off the face).

Or using the alternative over-head strap. This is one case where I think Apple went too far with form over function. There are much better strap designs, but they just aren't aesthetically pleasing I guess?

Finally, I generally use it laying down in bed or on a couch, which makes the weight less of an issue.

I agree in principle that a lighter device would be vastly better. I don't know how they will get there without drastic improvements in the underlying technology though.

Re: I feel Apple has lost its alignment with me and other long-time customers

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Post by nico_h »

huhkerrf wrote: post #157
snowwrestler wrote: post #89

> it’s a company that I feel has lost its alignment with me and other long-time Apple users and customers. When OS X debuted there was a daytime radio talk show in my area called “The Computer Guys.” They capably covered all sorts of computing topics, but were clearly long-time Apple dudes. And they spent weeks complaining about what a disaster OS X was. The Dock was useless and violated Apple’s HIG. The Finder made…

> Any more emotional investment than that is going to cause pointless unhappiness. Agreed 100%. If you're writing 2,000+ word blog posts out of anger and exasperation, you should take it as a moment of self reflection that just maybe you're too invested in a corporation.

I mean if we were talking about Cheetos or Coca, I’d agree with you, but we live in a Duopoly on both Mobile, Desktop and the web. If you’re an adult, you’ve been living in their ecosystem for years. It’s kind if hard to not be emotionally invested in something you use all day for your work and/or personal life.

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Post by chromehearts »

snowwrestler wrote: post #89

> it’s a company that I feel has lost its alignment with me and other long-time Apple users and customers. When OS X debuted there was a daytime radio talk show in my area called “The Computer Guys.” They capably covered all sorts of computing topics, but were clearly long-time Apple dudes. And they spent weeks complaining about what a disaster OS X was. The Dock was useless and violated Apple’s HIG. The Finder made…

> Save your customer loyalty energy for businesses where you can actually establish a connection, like a restaurant you like, or a local handyman

Thank you for saying this

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Post by petesergeant »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #206
wvenable wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If the latest product seems good, buy it. If not, don’t. There is another aspect to this though. As a user of an ecosystem, you're committed in many ways. As Apple or Microsoft or Google releases a new version of their operating system you're going to run that on hardware you already own. You're going to run software that you already own on that the OS. And you're doing to use skills and knowledge of that software…

I’m a long time Apple user. But I never do anything that locks me into Apple in a way that makes me dependent on Apple. I could move to Linux tomorrow and everything I depend on would be fine. There’s no Apple service I actually need. I think Google and Android is worse in this way. The backup Android I had years ago forced me to login with my Gmail or I couldn’t use it. My old iPhone happily runs without being logge…

Doesn’t your hardware lock you in?

Re: I feel Apple has lost its alignment with me and other long-time customers

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Post by d--b »

Note that OP is in Spain, where the iPhones are quite more expensive than in the US, and where the wages are quite lower.

iPhone 17 is $799 in US, but 950e in Spain (=$1130) ie 40% more expensive.

average wage is 80k in US and 35k in Spain.

So clearly it's not the same investment...

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