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Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

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Please don't comment like this on HN. The guidelines ask us to do better than this: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I am pretty certain it's a bot though. Look at their comment history. It's like chatGPT responses

Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

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Apologies if the idea is absurd, but wouldn't a Linux handheld without a cell modem be easier to build and distribute? Think something of an analogue to iPod Touches, which were iPhones sans the the phone part. This would skip a lot of the regulatory red tape, bring down costs, and make the devices more accessible so they’re in more developers’ hands. They’d have to tether from your primary phone which isn’t ideal, b…

What about all these raspberry pi hats with cell modems? Are they missing anything like usable IMEI numbers or proprietary stuff? What's stopping an RPi compute module 3G/4G/5G DIY linux phone?

Battery life is probably awful, mainly.

Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

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I am pretty certain it's a bot though. Look at their comment history. It's like chatGPT responses

The history does, never the less - an email is better than a comment:

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Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

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Apologies if the idea is absurd, but wouldn't a Linux handheld without a cell modem be easier to build and distribute? Think something of an analogue to iPod Touches, which were iPhones sans the the phone part. This would skip a lot of the regulatory red tape, bring down costs, and make the devices more accessible so they’re in more developers’ hands. They’d have to tether from your primary phone which isn’t ideal, b…

What about all these raspberry pi hats with cell modems? Are they missing anything like usable IMEI numbers or proprietary stuff? What's stopping an RPi compute module 3G/4G/5G DIY linux phone?

The battery life would suck? It's not about whether you can build a phone, it's about whether you can build a decent phone.

Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

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(Warning: Am only a software/product engineer, playing dilettante here, not an actual marketing/business expert.) Awhile back, I was thinking that one pragmatic way to get this viable Linux smartphone moving might be for hobbyists to focus on getting one easily available, affordable device working fully with pure Debian or PostmarketOS (no closed drivers or other modules, and preferably no blobs) and with Purism's Ph…

I would honestly just prefer that they use some semi-crap Chinese phone that is running on well-documented stuff a generation or four behind. If you could get Linux on a $50 phone, whoever was shipping them would sell 100K units. People would buy them just out of curiosity. I'm behind though: aren't the UIs for mobile Linux still bad? I still can't get the experience I got out of my N900 that had only 256M of RAM, ri…

In one of my Linux handheld attempts, I looked to evaluate Maemo for the vintage Nokia N810 and N900 as a starting point, but much of open source artifacts (code, docs, forums) had mostly disappeared, even from where there seemed an effort to preserve/migrate.

(But someone's copy of some of it might have resurfaced now; I haven't looked recently.)

Usually things like this disappear because whoever was paying for hosting for them (company, accounting unit within a company, or some random techie's basement) gets shut down. And maybe no one who had the interest and ability was able to preserve it in time, and archive.org hadn't picked it up. But occasionally, things get deleted with intention to suppress them.

Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

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Android doesn't even let you access your files. It has famously blocked acess to the subfolders of /Android/data/ - every app has a subfolder there where it stores files. And you can not visit these subfolders since Android 11. A buggy app accumulates gigabytes (literaly, i am not exagregating) of temp files there, but i cant visit the folder to delete them. Google explains that "it's for you safety". I have to call…

> A buggy app accumulates gigabytes (literaly, i am not exagregating) of temp files there, but i cant visit the folder to delete them.

Settings > Apps > select the app > Storage and cache > Clear storage.

Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

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I deeply want the equivalent of Debian on a phone. Rock solid. Every few year feature updates, only security fixes otherwise.

Plasma Mobile[0] on Mobian[1] is getting pretty decent.

[0] https://plasma-mobile.org/

[1] https://mobian-project.org/

Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

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Android doesn't even let you access your files. It has famously blocked acess to the subfolders of /Android/data/ - every app has a subfolder there where it stores files. And you can not visit these subfolders since Android 11. A buggy app accumulates gigabytes (literaly, i am not exagregating) of temp files there, but i cant visit the folder to delete them. Google explains that "it's for you safety". I have to call…

> A buggy app accumulates gigabytes (literaly, i am not exagregating) of temp files there, but i cant visit the folder to delete them. Settings > Apps > select the app > Storage and cache > Clear storage.

No, I dont want to clear storage - there is data I downloaded into the app and work with that I dont want to lose. But the app also accumulates some temp files there.

Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

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FWIW the default phone app on GrapheneOS supports recording phone calls.

Did a nation state ask GrapheneOS to add that feature?

Why is it always "nation state" when this is brought up, do states and nations that aren't congruous not represent a perceived threat?
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