I deeply want the equivalent of Debian on a phone. Rock solid. Every few year feature updates, only security fixes otherwise.
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Linux phones are more important now than ever
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Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever
#52Linux phones are useless for common people until they can run government and bank apps.
I've heard this argument before and yet I've never understood it. What government apps do people run? Why do you need to access your bank account on your phone? Is this some payments model that's just not common in my country where we still use physical credit cards for everything?
People in non-US countries apparently have a litany of government and banking apps which are mandatory at all times.
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#54Linux phones are useless for common people until they can run government and bank apps.
I've heard this argument before and yet I've never understood it. What government apps do people run? Why do you need to access your bank account on your phone? Is this some payments model that's just not common in my country where we still use physical credit cards for everything?
I do most of my banking and investments on my phone. I don’t think I’m in the minority here.
Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever
#55I have made people mad by saying it, but it remains true: Every developer hour wasted on an Android ROM is an hour not invested in a platform free of Google's control. Google likes Android ROMs because they pacify the developer community from working on real competitors, while not presenting any meaningful threat to their control of the majority of Android devices. The MADA that prevented OEMs from shipping AOSP is p…
> Every developer hour wasted on an Android ROM is an hour not invested in a platform free of Google's control. As it stands, and the way things are devoloping, accurate. But as the relevant systems are an integration of hard- and software, significant work needs to be done on the former as well. And I've yet to come across a Linux phone (or phone-like pocket computer) that ticks most of the neccessary boxes.
Agreed, the Linux phone landscape is far from daily driver ready even for a lot of tech enthusiasts. But that's also why it's so important people spend development time trying to solve that instead of screwing with ROMs. Short of a strong profit motive, Linux mobile needs a lot of volunteer effort.
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#56I deeply want the equivalent of Debian on a phone. Rock solid. Every few year feature updates, only security fixes otherwise.
You can install debian on a pinephone https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/PINE64/PinePhone
But for a "normal" linux environment on a phone I recommend postmarketOS. They make an effort to support a variety of user interfaces, init systems, devices.
Still, it is important to consider that the hardware and driver support is the limiting factor here. The camera is very bad on the pinephone because it doesn't have the image processing capability to record video in realtime. It also has no OpenGLES3 or Vulkan. Very poor lima GPU.
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Only your carrier is supposed to record the calls. Edit: apparently the /s is obligatory on this one
Absolute lies, where I live it is one party consent. I can still record with another device on speakerphone.
I think the person you were replying to might have intended sarcasm.
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#58Linux phones are useless for common people until they can run government and bank apps.
What's an example of a government app
Not to mention why specifically government apps? Would those not be covered by general compatibility with web standards?
Wouldn’t well designed mobile web-apps suffice for that use case? I have several web-app site shortcuts linked on my Home Screen which behave just like the native apps. In most cases I don’t see why that would not be sufficient, including most “government apps” use cases
Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever
#59Linux phones are useless for common people until they can run government and bank apps.
Why not just use the browser?
Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever
#60Linux phones are useless for common people until they can run government and bank apps.
I've heard this argument before and yet I've never understood it. What government apps do people run? Why do you need to access your bank account on your phone? Is this some payments model that's just not common in my country where we still use physical credit cards for everything?
> Why do you need to access your bank account on your phone?
My bank requires me to authenticate all online transactions via the phone app. Without it, it's not possible to make online payments.