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Re: Hosting a website on a disposable vape

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Post by palata »

spacephysics wrote: post #166
palata wrote: post #135

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The fact that selling such a thing is profitable means that we lack regulations somewhere.

The fact something is profitable (even vices) does not mean it requires regulations, unless the regulation in mind is direct or indirect cap on profit margins?

E-waste like this exists because it's legal and profitable.

I believe that we as a society don't want e-waste (at least I don't). And when the society does not want something profitable to be done, it sets regulations.

If it wasn't illegal to steal your neighbour's car and sell it, then it would be profitable. But we as a society don't want it to happen.

Re: Hosting a website on a disposable vape

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Post by 1718627440 »

schlauerfox wrote: post #208
x187463 wrote: post #85

Re-using this sort of device is super cool. I can imagine a post-apocalyptic scenario where a city is run on a hodgepodge of random computing devices like this. I will say, though, disposable vapes with microcontrollers inside (and even full games and screens from recent reporting) are an egregious source of e-waste. Many layers of stupid are present here.

I do wonder if there would be a workable law where companies are permanently responsible for what they produce, they must always accept back and responsibly recycle/break down to resources what they put out there, and do away with the shifting of responsibility of waste to society? Seems like a terrible engineering challenge but the right thing to do.

A lot of EU regulation goes into this direction, but we are still far away from having it for every product.

Re: Hosting a website on a disposable vape

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Post by uyzstvqs »

palata wrote: post #207
uyzstvqs wrote: post #200

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Almost every electronic device becomes disposable at some point, some sooner than others. Just make sure you bring them to an e-waste bin when that time comes. E-waste recycling is a profitable business, so there's always one nearby in my experience. If you have some old Samsung Galaxy Gio from 2011, it'll provide far more value by recycling it back to raw materials than it would if you'd somehow try to keep it usabl…

> Almost every electronic device becomes disposable at some point And we're all gonna die, why would we have laws at all? When we say "disposable vape", it's not to say "it will eventually stop working". It's more to say "you use it, you throw it away". > E-waste recycling is a profitable I don't doubt it's profitable, but it's most certainly not a good thing for the planet. Recycling is generally not a solution to w…

I am not disagreeing with you. I agree that these disposable vapes should be made illegal. What I meant is that "disposing" is a broad term and is not always bad. Many good products eventually become naturally obsolescent, at which point it's often best to responsibly dispose of them.

The actual problem here is how the product is intentionally designed to only be used once, when that's absolutely unnecessary. We both agree on that. That falls within the issue of planned obsolescence, and that's what regulation needs to target.

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Post by ThrowawayTestr »

cluckindan wrote: post #143
zero_k wrote: post #129

I am happy they demonstrated how useful these devices are. Marking these as "disposable" is a kind of insanity. I recovered a few of them "disposed" (i.e. "randomly thrown away into") in an empty flower pot, and took out the LiPo batteries from them -- which are rechargeable, and have charge circuitry (non-trivial for LiPos). That we somehow decided that it's OK to design these to be used only once feels wrong. This…

There are reusable vapes and reputable stores carry only those, but they are generally many times more expensive than disposable vapes, which are favored by smugglers (profit margins) and underage users (price point and potential seizing by parent/teacher/police). Disposable vapes put young people in contact with career criminals and organized crime, who will be only too happy to oblige even if the customer has no mo…

Everything you said is wrong. Refillable vapes are around the same price as disposables and kids get them from gas station attendants that don't care. What's this about organized crime?

Re: Hosting a website on a disposable vape

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Post by bombcar »

ewoodrich wrote: post #239
orev wrote: post #112

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I’m not sure what your point is: because one type of litter is reduced, it doesn’t matter because people still litter in other ways? In every place where plastic bags are banned, there’s a dramatic and obvious reduction in the amount of them clogging up trees, roads, fields, waterways, etc. If people need them for other purposes, they can buy them, while everyone else who doesn’t need them, doesn’t.

Yep, every so often I remember staring out the window on the highway in the car as a kid and seeing single use bags snagged on fences or trees pretty much anywhere inaccessible or not routinely cleaned. I also catch it on B roll footage in movies or shows from the 90s/2000s a lot. It’s a specific type of visual blight I rarely ever see after those ultra flimsy single use bags that could be carried dozens of miles on…

The bag bans in general are good - and heavy bags aren’t that bad, especially since they don’t blow as far or as easily.

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Post by lyu07282 »

rebolek wrote: post #187
ramesh31 wrote: post #157

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>The fact that selling such a thing is profitable means that we lack regulations somewhere. It's the exact opposite. Tobacco is so heavily regulated and taxed that these become profitable. If cigarettes were 3-4$ a pack (which they would be without sin taxes and regulatory overhead), the vape market would come down as well and there's no way these could be profitable. As it is, they retail around $20 and contain the…

The regulation was written in time when there were no such devices. Are they "healthier" (less damaging) for the user? If yes, let's tax them lower. Are they less damaging for whole population? Considering the e-waste, I guess not, but it's not up to me to decide. If they aren't, they shouldn't be taxed higher that cigs, if yes, let's change the regulation.

Because they contain so much more nicotine they are way more addicting, way better for the lungs than smoking but still bad for cardiovascular health. Disposables should be illegal for environmental protection reasons, that's a bit unrelated though since these companies can very easily switch to reusable/pod-systems.

We want people to vape rather than smoke tobacco, obviously, it's not a zero-sum issue.

Re: Hosting a website on a disposable vape

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Post by masfuerte »

jerf wrote: post #87

The mismatch between the Ancient Specs of Yore is kind of interesting. The Commodore 64 had 64KB of RAM, but that RAM was attached to an 8-bit, 1MHz CPU. This thing has call it half the RAM of a Commodore 64, but it's attached to a 32-bit 24MHz CPU the 1980s could only dream of. And it's disposable in 2025. Pretty impressive in a weird way.

The CPU isn't that fantastical for the 1980s. The Archimedes had an 8MHz ARM in 1987. It was expensive though and came with at least 512KB RAM.

P.S. After I wrote that I looked at the Wikipedia page. Which helpfully reminded me that 1987 was 38 years ago :(

Re: Hosting a website on a disposable vape

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Post by BogdanTheGeek »

tlavoie wrote: post #220
mm263 wrote: post #191

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If I scavenge any machine today, how likely would I be to find a 6502 vs something more modern? I’d argue that some people might have a NES at home and one could get a 2A03 from it, but in a hypothetical scenario where I need to scavenge some computational power, I’d find an Android phone

DuskOS apparently runs on ARM, so one of these vape boards running FORTH would likely feel very roomy indeed.

I have ported zForth to an even weaker chip, the famous 10c risc-v micro ch32v003 (16k flash, 2k ram) so no issue running on this: https://github.com/BogdanTheGeek/zForth

Re: Hosting a website on a disposable vape

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Post by palata »

uyzstvqs wrote: post #243
palata wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Almost every electronic device becomes disposable at some point And we're all gonna die, why would we have laws at all? When we say "disposable vape", it's not to say "it will eventually stop working". It's more to say "you use it, you throw it away". > E-waste recycling is a profitable I don't doubt it's profitable, but it's most certainly not a good thing for the planet. Recycling is generally not a solution to w…

I am not disagreeing with you. I agree that these disposable vapes should be made illegal. What I meant is that "disposing" is a broad term and is not always bad. Many good products eventually become naturally obsolescent, at which point it's often best to responsibly dispose of them. The actual problem here is how the product is intentionally designed to only be used once, when that's absolutely unnecessary. We both…

Right, got it.

Though I don't believe that when someone talks about a "disposable" product, they mean that "this is a product that you will dispose of before you die". Usually "disposable" means that it's meant to have a short lifetime.

A laptop or a smartphone are not "disposable" in that sense, even though we don't keep them for our lifetime.

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