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Repetitive negative thinking associated with cognitive decline in older adults

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Re: Repetitive negative thinking associated with cognitive decline in older adults

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Post by somenameforme »

chickenzzzzu wrote: post #157
tayo42 wrote: post #148

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having a kid had triggered an constant existential crisis for me. the moments are nice, but overall life is more confusing then ever, and not in a good way.

no cure for life, as proven in two posts

There's always going to be people who things don't work out well for, even if they're a good idea for the overwhelming majority of people. If you want studies on this parents have substantially lower rates of 'psychological distress' [1], it's associated with lower rates of psychiatric morbidity, and partnered parents have substantially lower rates of all common mental disorders, with an especially pronounced effect for men. [2] The same affect was not observed for non-parent couples.

[1] - https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2005...

[2] - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16951919/

Re: Repetitive negative thinking associated with cognitive decline in older adults

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Post by wkat4242 »

tayo42 wrote: post #148
somenameforme wrote: post #147

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Have children. Hard not to endlessly smile when you see their smiles for you doing nothing more than being there for them. Then, uhh I guess the plan is to have more children once they enter their teen years? Weight lifting also helps with mentality in a million different ways.

having a kid had triggered an constant existential crisis for me. the moments are nice, but overall life is more confusing then ever, and not in a good way.

Yeah it would not work for me either. I hate family life and responsibilities. I would wither away if I had a family.

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Post by wkat4242 »

deltaburnt wrote: post #33
shortcord wrote: post #30

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+100 million people died in war in the 20th century. Not to mention preventable famines, etc. Increase your time horizons to see things aren’t even close to as bad as they can be. Our lifetimes are a vapor.

I think most people aren't leaving their house each day with the same worries people in the 20th century had. It is certainly much nicer to be alive now than then, especially in places like Europe. What personally has me worried is the derivative and 2nd derivative. How much is my current comfort sustained purely because of the momentum of systems made possible less than a lifetime ago (post WW2 reconstruction). So i…

I don't know, in the 80s we had a really nice welfare system in the Netherlands that alleviated worry because there was always a safety net. Rent prices were government-set. Healthcare was good and very cheap.

In this century everything was cut and privatised due to globalization, neoliberalism and the financial crises. Wages are not keeping up with inflation, social security is less, national healthcare keeps being cut. I don't care about getting rich but I do want to live my life without worry.

Re: Repetitive negative thinking associated with cognitive decline in older adults

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Post by somenameforme »

tayo42 wrote: post #148
somenameforme wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have children. Hard not to endlessly smile when you see their smiles for you doing nothing more than being there for them. Then, uhh I guess the plan is to have more children once they enter their teen years? Weight lifting also helps with mentality in a million different ways.

having a kid had triggered an constant existential crisis for me. the moments are nice, but overall life is more confusing then ever, and not in a good way.

I had largely the opposite experience, perhaps because I started having children relatively later in life but was fortunately able to do so nonetheless.

In particular I'm not especially religious, but also think that the contemporary efforts of people to deny their mortality (singularity, consciousness transfer, medical immortality, etc) are irrational coping mechanisms, religion for atheists, that I refuse to adopt. So that leaves one in a rather uncomfortable existential place.

But since having children, it feels like every day I can see more of myself in them, and it provides an immense amount of comfort, like I've never had before in my life. This is about as close as I think we'll ever get to realistically transferring our consciousnesses, and I'm more than okay with that, and now hope to have many many grandchildren before my final day.

Re: Repetitive negative thinking associated with cognitive decline in older adults

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Post by perlgeek »

Amaury-El wrote: post #167

I saw this with a family member. In their 60s, they started getting stuck on small worries and always assumed the worst. At first it just seemed like anxiety, but over time their memory and focus started slipping too. It was like their mind got stuck in a loop. What helped the most wasn’t medicine. It was little things, like going for walks together or having simple conversations. Just giving the brain something new…

Another little thing you can try: music from their childhood / youth.

Just yesterday I randomly came across a song we often heard in our shared apartment during University, and immediately I had 10 different memories from that time swirling around in my head.

Re: Repetitive negative thinking associated with cognitive decline in older adults

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Post by tptacek »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #180
jncfhnb wrote: post #166

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I disagree. It strongly detracts from the GP’s claim. If we see huge variation in intelligence scores intra group, that strongly suggests that there are social/cultural/environmental factors in play driving a large part of this. It may be true that some racial backgrounds offer an advantage; but there is no evidence to suggest that this advantage is materially large relative to many of the social structural drivers t…

>If we see huge variation in intelligence scores intra group, that strongly suggests that there are social/cultural/environmental factors in play driving a large part of this. Correlation does not equal causation. Variation in genetics in a group can realistically be a factor as well. Three probable possibilities here: Only environment, Only genetics, both genetics and environment. Common sense says it's both genetic…

Cite them. Let's see which ones you're talking about. We know there are studies that say what you say! But it's hard to engage when the studies themselves are abstractions.

Re: Repetitive negative thinking associated with cognitive decline in older adults

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Post by jncfhnb »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #176
jncfhnb wrote: post #164

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> Yes environment is a factor but given a prime environment to foster intelligence, you can see that among races there are still differences in intelligence. You cannot. And the smoking gun is, again, that we have seen massive rises in intelligence scores within racial subgroups over time correlating with environmental changes that are much larger than current spreads and still unevenly distributed.

Right and again, when you maximize environmental factors there ARE STILL differences in intelligence. While Environment plays a massive role, genetics does as well. It's not as if environment is a smoking gun that makes the other factor disappear even when environment accounts for a much greater rise. Obviously a starving, stressed out person is going to have a much lower IQ score then someone who is happy and well f…

> You think because that obvious fact is true it completely eliminates genetics? No.

The claim is not that genetics has nothing to do with intelligence. The claim is that race is a material, important driver of intelligence. There is no rigorous evidence of this.

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Post by Aurornis »

lutusp wrote: post #143
Aurornis wrote: post #128

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> A similar finding is that kids who smoke marijuana are likely to experience serious mental health issues later on -- that's indisputable. The problem is the same as in this case -- people assume a cause-effect relationship that isn't supported by the evidence. This is one of those topics where people will set an impossibly high standard for evidence and then use that to reject everything. We do actually know that h…

> Yet if you want to set your threshold for evidence so high that nothing short of a large scale RCT will answer the question you can ignore all of this, because such an RCT will never be produced for obvious ethical reasons. Yes, but this means existing studies can't be relied on to justify a conclusion that would have required the impossible study. Saying that a study isn't practical can't be used to justify making…

> Yes, but this means existing studies can't be relied on…

Exactly my point with this line of thinking: It’s used to argue that you can’t rely on any studies, therefore it becomes a free license to reject everything and inject your own desired conclusions.

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Post by imchillyb »

hackable_sand wrote: post #25
adamwong246 wrote: post #16

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It's common for old fogies to claim that the future is bad and the past was best. But I don't remember a time in my life that was this stressful. I really do think the world is getting crazier, dumber, and just all around worse, this past decade most specifically. It seems the world has decided to just go nuts, shift into overdrive and metaphorically drive off a cliff. Everybody wants to escape the real world and liv…

And here I am in camp "it's always been this way". All the older generations found ways through. We'll find ways through.

Older generations died. Some generations died so often that we use words like ‘population decline,’ so the survivors don’t feel so badly about surviving.

As for finding ways through, I don’t believe that for even a moment. Why? Because we’re still struggling with those same issues.

There is no out. There is no through. Keep that can kicking down the road. That’s what we do.

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