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Google rejects White House request to pull Mohammad film clip

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Re: Google rejects White House request to pull Mohammad film clip

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YouTube should have removed the video based on their own guidelines. This can be classified as a hate speech. http://www.youtube.com/t/community_guidelines : We encourage free speech and defend everyone's right to express unpopular points of view. But we don't permit hate speech (speech which attacks or demeans a group based on race or ethnic origin, religion, disability, gender, age, veteran status, and sexual orien…

How does this video meet that definition?

Re: Google rejects White House request to pull Mohammad film clip

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand this request. Doesn't this lead to every organization having a case for pulling down any video they deem to be in violation of bad taste. The white house has a beautiful 250 year old document they can get behind that makes the issue black and white (free speech) and absolves them of looking like they played favorites to either side. How is this publicly sterilizing solution the best option?

It was not a legally binding request, they just asked them to review the video for violations of their terms of service, and "please" remove it if it was found to be in violation. Any other organization is and has always been free to do the same, just as Google is free to decline the request.

Nobody said they weren't "free" to do it. The point is that the message it sends is that they are anxious about the availability of the video, and the implication is that they would prefer that it be removed.

Re: Google rejects White House request to pull Mohammad film clip

#53

YouTube should have removed the video based on their own guidelines. This can be classified as a hate speech. http://www.youtube.com/t/community_guidelines : We encourage free speech and defend everyone's right to express unpopular points of view. But we don't permit hate speech (speech which attacks or demeans a group based on race or ethnic origin, religion, disability, gender, age, veteran status, and sexual orien…

Exactly.

Now, my question is, why _doesn't_ this video violate that guideline? Isn't its entire purpose to denigrate Islam?

Re: Google rejects White House request to pull Mohammad film clip

#55

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect hasn't been translated into Arabic yet.

Not relevant in this case. No one here is trying to hide anything or not draw attention to something. The white house did not make the video more visible in the Muslim world by making a review request; Arabs protesting the video didn't make the video more visible in the western world (the video is trash anyways).

Re: Google rejects White House request to pull Mohammad film clip

#57

On the same grounds, should the White House have asked Youtube to censor the numerous clips of Kerry and Biden praising the killing of Bin Laden at the DNC last week? I'm sure the Islamic world might have taken offense.

Given what the BBC was reporting the crowds in Tunisia were chanting, these are the more likely stimulus.

That being said, murder should not have been the result and anything other than personal responsibility is a crock.

Re: Google rejects White House request to pull Mohammad film clip

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post #32

On the same grounds, should the White House have asked Youtube to censor the numerous clips of Kerry and Biden praising the killing of Bin Laden at the DNC last week? I'm sure the Islamic world might have taken offense.

Did you mean "could" because you said "should" which makes the whole thing read like nonsense.

No I didn't mean "could".

Of course, the White House "could" ask for any video to be censored/suppressed. The question is "should" they on the same "it incites" Middle Eastern mobs premise.

Re: Google rejects White House request to pull Mohammad film clip

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post #51

YouTube should have removed the video based on their own guidelines. This can be classified as a hate speech. http://www.youtube.com/t/community_guidelines : We encourage free speech and defend everyone's right to express unpopular points of view. But we don't permit hate speech (speech which attacks or demeans a group based on race or ethnic origin, religion, disability, gender, age, veteran status, and sexual orien…

How does this video meet that definition?

How it doesn't? This brings in an interesting issue, google based on their own guidelines are in the position of interpreting what is hate speech and what isn't. Who at google makes that decision? Who are these people? Do they have a biased?
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