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Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by whatever1 »

For some visa types, companies are obligated to prove that they advertised the position to American citizens. Failed, hence they needed the foreigner.

This is a huge dealbreaker for campus hires, and specifically masters/PhDs who are, well, by definition, specialized in their field and hence very rare.

So you recruit at her graduation the girl who has done groundbreaking research in deep neural nets and is the key to one of your big projects. She happens to be non-American (because the majority of graduates are non-Americans).

Now what? You know that there is nobody else on the planet that has done this research, yet you have to start recruiting for this position for Americans.

What is the incentive you have as a company to pour a ton of resources on this effort? Recruiting is very expensive. Time is also very expensive when you are at the forefront of innovation.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by LadyCailin »

cj wrote: post #201
back2dafucha wrote: post #112

Old news. This has been going on for decades. If you even look badly on youtube you will find corporate videos from "HR Consultants" teaching companies how to bury job listings so noone will be likely to find them. Your country sold you down the river 30 years ago.

For those curious, a common method is to publish the job listing in the newspaper classifieds. This is what my old employer did to sponsor the visa for the company’s CTO. Newspapers are used for a surprising number of various public announcements. E.g. in New York you must publish a notice in a newspaper for 6 weeks (or something like that) when establishing a LLC. There’s something to be said for reading the paper e…

A newspaper of record is in theory something you are “supposed” to continually read, but it’s kind of like saying you’re “supposed” to know all the laws of the land. While probably true, no one actually can or would do that.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by ajcp »

kccqzy wrote: post #213
dgfitz wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Companies want to hire them in addition to U.S. citizens. That's it. As opposed to the rest of the graduating class that is already considered a legal citizen? Your logic doesn’t make sense. “In addition to every option available that doesn’t have additional legal framework attached, these specific people are also desirable.” Why?

In addition to the U.S. citizens in that graduating class. Basically large tech companies want to hire whomever passes their interviews, regardless of whether they are citizens or not. The hiring process is intentionally blind on their immigration status. Small companies will ask you in the application form "will you now or in the future require sponsorship to work in the U.S." and larger companies simply don't ask.

> The hiring process is intentionally blind on their immigration status.

You can't be serious. On every job application I've ever filled out the last question is always a variation of: "Do you now or will you in the future require employer sponsorship to work in this country?"

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by tomhow »

alephnerd wrote: post #158
back2dafucha wrote: post #112

Old news. This has been going on for decades. If you even look badly on youtube you will find corporate videos from "HR Consultants" teaching companies how to bury job listings so noone will be likely to find them. Your country sold you down the river 30 years ago.

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Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by tbrownaw »

transcriptase wrote: post #198
LudwigNagasena wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s simply an outlandish claim. Most people are not in control of any level of the government.

I mean there is that one group.

Which group? Politicians?

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by yunyu »

pandaman wrote: post #219
1024core wrote: post #202

A lot of these problems could be solved if H1-B's were given out in order of salary (I think there's such a proposal going around recently). And by that I mean: something like a Dutch auction. Give H1-Bs to the top 85K paying jobs (maybe normalized to SoL in the region, I'm sure the BLS has some idea on how to do it). The lure of H1-Bs is the money savings, and the fact that if you're on an H1-B, you're practically a…

Can you expand how exactly this particular problem (advertising jobs for PERM to comply with the law yet making sure that no applications will be received) can be fixed with a different order of issuing H-1B visas? PERM has nothing to do with H-1B, it's a part of the employment-based immigration process. The reason companies do this shit is because they claim to the US that there are no willing and able citizens or p…

Prevents infosys/wipro slop from overwhelming the system, and filters down the incoming roles to only those that can't be filled by a US citizen (i.e. specialist technical jobs, top engineers commanding $500k/yr)

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by lazide »

cj wrote: post #201
back2dafucha wrote: post #112

Old news. This has been going on for decades. If you even look badly on youtube you will find corporate videos from "HR Consultants" teaching companies how to bury job listings so noone will be likely to find them. Your country sold you down the river 30 years ago.

For those curious, a common method is to publish the job listing in the newspaper classifieds. This is what my old employer did to sponsor the visa for the company’s CTO. Newspapers are used for a surprising number of various public announcements. E.g. in New York you must publish a notice in a newspaper for 6 weeks (or something like that) when establishing a LLC. There’s something to be said for reading the paper e…

Usually it’s a newspaper in the middle of nowhere too, in fine print, in the classifieds.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by lazide »

kccqzy wrote: post #199
exhilaration wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've got out of work friends that would love to see this guide. Please share.

This is unlikely to be of use to your friends. Companies hide these job openings because they aren't real: they are filled by a real person right now. If someone applies, they won't be hired because there's no extra headcount. They will just be rejected after a resume review. Companies usually don't even extend interviews to such candidates. Applying only delays the green card process of a foreigner since they will n…

So…. Locals shouldn’t delay or poison the process for a foreigner that would take ‘their’ role, while bored on unemployment - why exactly?

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by [deleted] »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #135
gp90 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's extremely racist I'm not sure if the motive behind such behavior is racism. Instead, I think it's more likely the power play. That is, they would pick the population that is the easiest to command and to push them up the corporate ladder.

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Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by thephyber »

1024core wrote: post #202

A lot of these problems could be solved if H1-B's were given out in order of salary (I think there's such a proposal going around recently). And by that I mean: something like a Dutch auction. Give H1-Bs to the top 85K paying jobs (maybe normalized to SoL in the region, I'm sure the BLS has some idea on how to do it). The lure of H1-Bs is the money savings, and the fact that if you're on an H1-B, you're practically a…

This conflates high education specialists with high earnings. It’s probably not completely uncorrelated, but only giving H1-Bs to the highest paying reqs which need them starves all of the other reqs of any possible candidates.

I understand that H1-Bs are currently likely to create an abusive relationship with the visa-ed employee, but just because you have identified a valid diagnosis doesn’t mean your suggested prescription would be much better.

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