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Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Yeah, "racist" seems to fail the Occam test here. But at the same time that makes it clear that the now-suddenly-unpopular opinion is also wrong. Diversity takes work, and companies need to guard against this kind of decisionmaking. "DEI" protects the native-born too!

> ”racist" seems to fail the Occam test here The word has lost meaning due to semantic overinclusivity. By the Civil Rights era definitions, the process is racist. The people may not be. The process explicitly favours Indians. This isn’t some statistical mumbo-jumbo anti-racism construct, it’s the clear intent of the people involved and a clear effect of their actions. What we can’t conclude from this is if the peopl…

This reminds me of the aphorism "The purpose of a system is what it does."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_purpose_of_a_system_is_w...

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Regardless of H1Bs who received better grades, I don't think US workers should have to compete with 1 billion+ other global workers for their jobs. Citizens make the rules via governance, not corporations. You can hire someone good enough domestically vs the best globally to import. US corporations simply want the cheapest labor possible at the best possible price, which is where policy steps in. If it impairs your p…

> I don't think US workers should have to compete with 1 billion+ other global workers for their jobs.

They already do though. Do you own any items made in other countries? If so, you’re competing with other workers already. It seems weird to focus on immigrants workers in America versus citizens in America while importation is allowed at all. I find all of this also very much in conflict with HN’s anti tariff attitude.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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For whatever it's worth, that's been a consistent trend with other things Newsom has vetoed with statements that he considers the vetoed item to be already covered by other laws, including some purely technical legislative things. I think it's likely that he sees himself as trying to keep California bureaucracy from growing indefinitely, especially with his push for things like CEQA process reduction/simplification.

It’s capital, political and financial. Everything costs, got to pay for gerrymandering somehow.

Vetoing costs. More than half the legislature voted for it.

It can win you a few friends but you lose more.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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What makes you think they’re racist versus just hiring the best available talent? There are more Indians in universities than the general population, and a lot more of them in engineering degrees than other degrees. It makes sense there are lots of Indians in some industries, both in the management roles and in the populations that managers are hiring from.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Essentially, they want to hire a specific person, while the law requires that they post the job and prefer American citizens, so they don’t want American citizens to apply not that they prefer foreign workers in general they just have a specific candidate in mind. I think Trump’s position of forcing companies to pay a substantial fee in exchange for a fast tracked green card is really the most sensible position inste…

If they had someone specific in mind the usual method is to have their resume next to you when you write up the job app. Make the requirements perfectly match their skills. Now you can say when you picked them that they were the best candidate all along.

I think it’s lot tricker for the large companies that tend to hire H1B visa holders to do this, because a manager would need to convince the HR department to violate the law, and the company might be concerned the risks involved are not a good idea if enough candidates apply.

Plus, there seems to be some indicator tha the job you are applying is an H1B position and they are posting them on sites for Americans to apply too. So it’s not hard to imagine a bunch of highly qualified idealogue’s applying to jobs they never wanted in the first place and reporting them to the government when they get rejected.

It doesn’t seem like a good idea to try and manipulate the system with the current government’s willingness to go after companies.

If they’ll go after a US ally like Hyundai for using ESTA under the VWP illegally, when Hyundai could probably have easily applied for and been granted B-1 visas. Can you imagine what they would do to a company illegally sponsoring H1B visas?

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How so? There are 172 million Muslims in India.

I think he means since they aren’t originally “Indian” but are colonizers of India who arrived through invasion.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Most people (regardless of race) prefer to hire from within their network. It makes sense that Indians' networks would consist of other Indians.

I wouldn’t say it’s people ‘preferring’ it. The fact is, finding people that are competent enough to be hired is easier through referrals than other ways. And if you are receiving referrals, why wouldn’t you put them through the hiring process to see if they’re talented enough to hire? Rejecting those because they share the same race as the hiring manager is itself racist (since it would be taking race/ethnicity as a factor). In most big companies the hiring process has enough checks and balances to prevent nepotistic hires anyways (for example hiring panels or bar raisers or whatever).

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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To "use" a post office? What like... any... other... store or building where you walk in, perform an action, and leave?

Ah crap, here I've been trying to walk into the side of the building for the past 3 hours.

"Midvale Post-Office for the Gifted."

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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That's an editorial point, not a substantial one. Obviously requiring an application be submitted by an inconvenient and antiquated method that isn't used by the demographic in question is going to create friction and reduce the number of applications. That this is expressed in a whimsical way (personally I liked the turn of phrase, but that's an issue of taste) might personally offend you but doesn't change the subs…

It also has the effect of making the job posting seem fake, or like a scam, because who in their right mind would believe META, who has their own, in-house operated, online job application portal, would require a job application to be mailed in.

Right, imagine if the same posting was onlinen in a legitimate-looking spot, but for some reason the process required credit-card validation up front.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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> According to the Justice Department, the companies absurdly required applicants to submit applications by mail [...] How many 20-something software engineers even know how to use a post office in 2025?

I always wondered how they made sure no one applied to the position they wanted the H1B to fill

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