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Re: Qwen3-Next

#201

The craziest part is how far MoE has come thanks to Qwen. This beats all those 72B dense models we’ve had before and runs faster than 14B model depending on how you off load your VRAM and CPU. That’s insane.

Qwen isn't directing the forward progress of llms. SOTA llms have been moe since gpt-4. The og 4.

Out of context, but i honestly hate how HN let itself get so far behind the times that this is the sort of inane commentary we get on AI.

Re: Qwen3-Next

#202

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The model is 80b parameters, but only 3b are activated during inference. I'm running the old 2507 Qwen3 30B model on my 8gb Nvidia card and get very usable performance.

Yes, but you don’t know which 3B parameters you will need, so you have to keep all 80B in your VRAM, or wait until correct 3B are loaded from NVMe->RAM->VRAM. And of course it could be different 3B for each next token.

The latest SSDs benchmark at 3GB/s and up. The marginal latency would be trivial compared to the inference time.

Re: Qwen3-Next

#203
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Hmm. 80B. These days I am on the lookout for new models in the 32B range, since that is what fits and runs comfortably on my MacBook Pro (M4, 64GB). I use ollama every day for spam filtering: gemma3:27b works great, but I use gpt-oss:20b on a daily basis because it's so much faster and comparable in performance.

Can you talk more about how you are using ollama for spam filtering?

Re: Qwen3-Next

#204

The craziest part is how far MoE has come thanks to Qwen. This beats all those 72B dense models we’ve had before and runs faster than 14B model depending on how you off load your VRAM and CPU. That’s insane.

Qwen isn't directing the forward progress of llms. SOTA llms have been moe since gpt-4. The og 4. Out of context, but i honestly hate how HN let itself get so far behind the times that this is the sort of inane commentary we get on AI.

I would venture to suggest that to read it as "Qwen made MoEs in toto || first || better than anyone else" is reductive - merely, the # of experts and #s here are quite novel (70b...inferencing only 3b!?!) - I sometimes kick around the same take, but, thought I'd stand up for this. And I know what I'm talking about, I maintain a client that wraps llama.cpp x ~20 models on inference APIs

Re: Qwen3-Next

#206

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Could someone kindly point to a convenient all-on-one ELI5 of all these words? :')

The best primer I've seen is Andrej Karpathy's first video in his "zero to hero" series. It's worth following along with your own practice. https://karpathy.ai/zero-to-hero.html

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Re: Qwen3-Next

#207

Added Qwen3 Next to the Brokk Power Ranking Open Round (coding benchmark). It's roughly GPT-OSS-20b strength. Full set of open weight model results: https://brokk.ai/power-ranking?version=openround&models=ds-r...

Is that the updated Kimi K2, or the old Kimi k2?

Re: Qwen3-Next

#208

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Could someone kindly point to a convenient all-on-one ELI5 of all these words? :')

Background: LLMs take your input, upscale it into a very high dimensional space, and then downscale it back to 1D at the end. This 1D list is interpreted as a list of probabilities -- one for each word in your vocabulary. i.e f(x) = downscale(upscale(x)). Each of downscale() and upscale() are parameterized (billions of params). I see you have a gamedev background, so as an example: bezier curves are parameterized fun…

> I see you have a gamedev background

Thanks for the tailored response! ^^

Re: Qwen3-Next

#209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could someone kindly point to a convenient all-on-one ELI5 of all these words? :')

The best primer I've seen is Andrej Karpathy's first video in his "zero to hero" series. It's worth following along with your own practice. https://karpathy.ai/zero-to-hero.html

A while ago I had caught up with the basics thanks to the legendary 3blue1brown and his playlist on Neural Networks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aircAruvnKk&list=PLZHQObOWTQ...

and other helpers like Artem Kirsanov:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmZmBKc7Lrs

Re: Qwen3-Next

#210

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Their proprietary models are very good too and go under the radar, they never seem to appear on any benchmarks. Qwen3-coder-plus is significantly better than their open source qwen3, Qwen3 max also rivals the SOTA models

Are these actually different models vs just different names from the open weights releases?

They generally match, except I don't think the Max ones have releases
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