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Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by sagarm »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #6
Der_Einzige wrote: post #2

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Regardless of H1Bs who received better grades, I don't think US workers should have to compete with 1 billion+ other global workers for their jobs. Citizens make the rules via governance, not corporations. You can hire someone good enough domestically vs the best globally to import. US corporations simply want the cheapest labor possible at the best possible price, which is where policy steps in. If it impairs your p…

The best jobs are with large corporations with offices all over the world. Workers from all over the world are competing with each other, regardless of the Kafkaesque state of American immigrant policy.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by OutOfHere »

mikert89 wrote: post #19

There's another thing happening which people haven't really heard much about, which is basically ChatGPT Pro is really good at making legal arguments. And so people that previously would never have filed something like a discrimination lawsuit can now use ChatGPT to understand how to respond to managers' emails and proactively send emails that point out discrimination in non-threatening manner, and so in ways that cr…

That's all well and good, but anyone who does this will likely just be terminated asap without cause, possibly as a part of a multi-person layoff that makes it appear innocuous.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by ajross »

silverquiet wrote: post #14
throwmeaway222 wrote: post #9

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Most people (regardless of race) prefer to hire from within their network. It makes sense that Indians' networks would consist of other Indians.

Yeah, "racist" seems to fail the Occam test here. But at the same time that makes it clear that the now-suddenly-unpopular opinion is also wrong. Diversity takes work, and companies need to guard against this kind of decisionmaking. "DEI" protects the native-born too!

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Post by zdragnar »

teachrdan wrote: post #11
throwmeaway222 wrote: post #9

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Out of curiosity, do they favor hiring Indians in general, or Hindu Indians in particular. (To the exclusion of Muslim Indians)

It's been awhile since I've seen it, but there was a very brief and small wave of articles perhaps a few years back claiming a lot of Indians in the US were still facing caste-based discrimination (by skin color, name or something else, I'm not sure) by other Indian managers and execs.

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Post by nancyminusone »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #18

> How many 20-something software engineers even know how to use a post office in 2025? Ok, come on, this is just an insulting "kids these days" throw-away line that is absolutely not necessary.

Doubley stupid because the task is about mailing a letter, which does not require a post office.

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Post by toomuchtodo »

OutOfHere wrote: post #22
mikert89 wrote: post #19

There's another thing happening which people haven't really heard much about, which is basically ChatGPT Pro is really good at making legal arguments. And so people that previously would never have filed something like a discrimination lawsuit can now use ChatGPT to understand how to respond to managers' emails and proactively send emails that point out discrimination in non-threatening manner, and so in ways that cr…

That's all well and good, but anyone who does this will likely just be terminated asap without cause, possibly as a part of a multi-person layoff that makes it appear innocuous.

First call should be to an employment attorney and the EEOC, no matter what, before you sign anything.

https://www.eeoc.gov/how-file-charge-employment-discriminati...

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by nostrademons »

throwmeaway222 wrote: post #9

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I've noticed this as well, but see it mostly as "A players hire other A players, B players hire C players". The top tier of Indian execs/management that I've met will hire diverse teams, just like the top tier of every other ethnicity will as well. There's simply not enough people at the top to put a racial/ethnic/caste filter on it. But then once you get down to the second tier, people will happily hire people like themselves, because at that level you're hiring on vibes rather than data and similar people give you fuzzy comfortable vibes.

Unfortunately most Fortune 500 companies are in the hands of B players now, and it goes all the way up, with the government (multiple governments, really) being in the hands of B/C players. The A players are happily retired and pulling strings in the background with their 501(c)4s.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by kjkjadksj »

daft_pink wrote: post #5

Essentially, they want to hire a specific person, while the law requires that they post the job and prefer American citizens, so they don’t want American citizens to apply not that they prefer foreign workers in general they just have a specific candidate in mind. I think Trump’s position of forcing companies to pay a substantial fee in exchange for a fast tracked green card is really the most sensible position inste…

If they had someone specific in mind the usual method is to have their resume next to you when you write up the job app. Make the requirements perfectly match their skills. Now you can say when you picked them that they were the best candidate all along.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by ajross »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #18

> How many 20-something software engineers even know how to use a post office in 2025? Ok, come on, this is just an insulting "kids these days" throw-away line that is absolutely not necessary.

That's an editorial point, not a substantial one. Obviously requiring an application be submitted by an inconvenient and antiquated method that isn't used by the demographic in question is going to create friction and reduce the number of applications.

That this is expressed in a whimsical way (personally I liked the turn of phrase, but that's an issue of taste) might personally offend you but doesn't change the substance of the article.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by toomuchtodo »

sagarm wrote: post #21
toomuchtodo wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of H1Bs who received better grades, I don't think US workers should have to compete with 1 billion+ other global workers for their jobs. Citizens make the rules via governance, not corporations. You can hire someone good enough domestically vs the best globally to import. US corporations simply want the cheapest labor possible at the best possible price, which is where policy steps in. If it impairs your p…

The best jobs are with large corporations with offices all over the world. Workers from all over the world are competing with each other, regardless of the Kafkaesque state of American immigrant policy.

Ohio senator introduces 25% tax on companies that outsource jobs overseas - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45146528 - September 2025

https://www.moreno.senate.gov/press-releases/new-moreno-bill...

https://www.moreno.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/The...

(if you're a company with no US nexus or presence, and no access to the market, your hiring practices are up to your local jurisdiction; if you want access to the US market, you can hire in the US, I find this to be very reasonable)

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