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Claude’s memory architecture is the opposite of ChatGPT’s

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Re: Claude’s memory architecture is the opposite of ChatGPT’s

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> If we’re already paying $20/mo and they’re operating at a loss I'm quite confident they're not operating at a loss on those subscriptions.

They are running at a massive loss overall - feels pretty safe to assume that they wouldn't be if their cheapest subscription tier was breaking even

nonsense for the public. they are Amazon, basically. they take the loss so the overall ecosystem ( x'D like with crypto ) can gain massively, onboard all kinds of target noobs, sry, groups, brutally prime users, discourage as many non-AI processes as possible and steer all industries towards replacing even those processes with AI that are not worth being replaced with AI, like writing and art.

of course there are a lot valuable use cases. irrelevant in the context, though.

the productivity boosts in the creative industries will additionally lower the standards and split the public even further, ensuring that if you want quality, you have to fuck over as many people as possible, so that you can afford quality ( and an ad-free life, of course. if you want a peaceful peripheral, pay up. it's extortion 404, 101 - 303 already successfully implemented on social media, TV and the radio ).

they don't lose. they make TONS OF FAKE MONEY everywhere in the, again, cough,

"ecosystem".

It's important to understand the Amazon part. The amount of damaging mechanisms that platform anchored in workers, jobbers, business people and consumers is brutal.

All those mechanisms converge in more, easy money and a quicker deterioration of local environments, leading to worse health and more business opportunities that aim at mitigating damage; almost entirely in vain, of course, because the worst is accelerating much quicker; it's easier money.

At the same time peoples psychology is primed for bad business practices, literally making people dumber and lowering their standards to make them easier targets. Don't look at the bottom to see this, look at the upper middle class and above.

It's a massive net loss for civilization and humanity. A brutal net negative impact overall.

Re: Claude’s memory architecture is the opposite of ChatGPT’s

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> the market would rather watch ads no, netflix wants more income, and by having a product be ad supported, they can try to earn more. The "market" is not a person, and doesn't have "wants".

From the article: > Netflix has more than doubled the number of people watching its ad-supported tier over the last year. At its upfront presentation for advertisers on Wednesday, the company revealed that the $7.99 per month plan now reaches more than 94 million users around the world each month – a big increase from the 40 million it reported in May 2024 and the 70 million it revealed last November. 1/3 of Netflix…

This leaves me somewhere between surprised and shocked.

Re: Claude’s memory architecture is the opposite of ChatGPT’s

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Anthropic seems to want to make you buy a subscription, not show you ads. ChatGPT seems to be more popular to those who don't want to pay, and they are therefore more likely to rely on ads.

so ChatGPT will become "saleman". And i do not trust any saleman.

They're all salesmen, they were trained on the web which is jam packed with SEO content.

Re: Claude’s memory architecture is the opposite of ChatGPT’s

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My conjecture is that their memory implementation is not aimed at building a user profile. I don't know if they would or would not serve ads in the future, but it's hard to see how the current implementation helps them in that regard.

> I don't know if they would or would not serve ads in the future There are 2 possible futures: 1) You are served ads based on your interactions 2) You pay a subscription fee equal to the amount they would have otherwise earned on ads I highly doubt #2 will happen. (See: Facebook, Google, twitter, et al) Let’s not fool ourselves. We will be monetized. And model quality will be degraded to maximize profits when compet…

3) AIs will steer you towards a problem for which one product is the obvious solution without directly mentioning that product, so you'll think you're getting (2) while actually getting (1).

Re: Claude’s memory architecture is the opposite of ChatGPT’s

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Altman has said numerous times that none of the subscriptions make money currently, and that they've been internally exploring ads in the form of product recommendations for a while now.

Source? First time I’ve heard of it.

"We haven't done any advertising product yet. I kind of...I mean, I'm not totally against it. I can point to areas where I like ads. I think ads on Instagram, kinda cool. I bought a bunch of stuff from them. But I am, like, I think it'd be very hard to…I mean, take a lot of care to get right."

https://mashable.com/article/openai-ceo-sam-altman-open-to-a...

Re: Claude’s memory architecture is the opposite of ChatGPT’s

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OpenAI has already started degrading their $20/month tier by automatically routing most of the requests to the lightest free-tier models. We're very clearly heading toward a future where there will be a heavily ad-supported free tier, a cheaper (~$20/month) consumer tier with no ads or very few ads, and a business tier ($200-$1000/month) that can actually access state of the art models. Like Spotify, the free tier wi…

I find that hard to believe. As long as we have open weight models, people will have an alternative to these subscriptions. For $200 a month it is cheaper to buy a GPU with lots of memory or rent a private H200. No ads and no spying. At this point the subscriptions are mainly about the agent functionality and not so much the knowledge in the models themselves.

I think what you're missing here is most OpenAI users aren't technical in the slightest. They have massive and growing adoption from the general public. The general public buy services, not roll their own for free, and they even prefer to buy service from the brand they know over getting cheaper service from somebody else.

Re: Claude’s memory architecture is the opposite of ChatGPT’s

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OpenAI has already started degrading their $20/month tier by automatically routing most of the requests to the lightest free-tier models. We're very clearly heading toward a future where there will be a heavily ad-supported free tier, a cheaper (~$20/month) consumer tier with no ads or very few ads, and a business tier ($200-$1000/month) that can actually access state of the art models. Like Spotify, the free tier wi…

I find that hard to believe. As long as we have open weight models, people will have an alternative to these subscriptions. For $200 a month it is cheaper to buy a GPU with lots of memory or rent a private H200. No ads and no spying. At this point the subscriptions are mainly about the agent functionality and not so much the knowledge in the models themselves.

H200 rental prices currently start at $2.35 per hour, or $1700 per month. Even if you just rent for 4h a day, the $200 subscription is still quite a bit cheaper. And I'm not even sure that the highest-quality open models run on a single H200.

Re: Claude’s memory architecture is the opposite of ChatGPT’s

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From the article: > Netflix has more than doubled the number of people watching its ad-supported tier over the last year. At its upfront presentation for advertisers on Wednesday, the company revealed that the $7.99 per month plan now reaches more than 94 million users around the world each month – a big increase from the 40 million it reported in May 2024 and the 70 million it revealed last November. 1/3 of Netflix…

This leaves me somewhere between surprised and shocked.

Maybe you shouldn't be. The ad-hating paranoid HN user is not representative of the general population. Probably the exact opposite, in fact.

My wife and mother love ads, they are always on the hunt for the latest good deals and love discount shopping. When I tried to remove the ads on their computers or in the postal mail, they protested. I think they are far more representative of the general population.

Re: Claude’s memory architecture is the opposite of ChatGPT’s

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Source? First time I’ve heard of it.

"We haven't done any advertising product yet. I kind of...I mean, I'm not totally against it. I can point to areas where I like ads. I think ads on Instagram, kinda cool. I bought a bunch of stuff from them. But I am, like, I think it'd be very hard to…I mean, take a lot of care to get right." https://mashable.com/article/openai-ceo-sam-altman-open-to-a...

> Altman has said numerous times that none of the subscriptions make money currently

For this

Re: Claude’s memory architecture is the opposite of ChatGPT’s

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post #106

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Anthropic seems to want to make you buy a subscription, not show you ads. ChatGPT seems to be more popular to those who don't want to pay, and they are therefore more likely to rely on ads.

In the 2020s, subscriptions don't preclude showing ads. Companies will milk money in as many ways as they can

And even a subscription that gives a truly ad-free experience doesn't preclude the bit that I actually object to most: collecting data about me & my activity and selling it on.
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