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Re: Danish supermarket chain is setting up "Emergency Stores"

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Post by mschuster91 »

maxerickson wrote: post #64
ambicapter wrote: post #35

Wait, so we're now approaching risk levels high enough that's its economically feasible for businesses to prepare for situations where their stores lose power, telecom, and resupply? Are we already preparing for land war across western Europe?

3 days isn't very long, it's reasonable to look at this as a generic resiliency thing rather than response to some identifiable risk.

Given people are already advised to stockpile for at least a week if not two, it's both deepening the resiliency capacity for all, and providing capacity for those too poor (either cashflow-poor or housing-poor) to stockpile.

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Post by netfortius »

throwawayqqq11 wrote: post #92
0xWTF wrote: post #53

In case you haven't contemplated this logistics challenge before: the key is you need to stock shelf-stable products in these stores and at some point in their shelf life, transfer them out to other stores for actual consumption and back fill the emergency stores with fresh lots of new shelf stable products. You're just buying more shelf-stable supply once and then managing the transit through the supply chain with s…

> stock shelf-stable products in these stores and at some point in their shelf life, transfer them out to other stores for actual consumption Back in my days in retail, we were ordered to put resupply as FILO into the shelfs. It makes sense to sell the oldest products first. So why the transfer shuffle?

> FILO

Hard to address the consumers' tendency to "reach out in the back", to get longer expiration time products.

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Post by [deleted] »

Razengan wrote: post #117
0xWTF wrote: post #53

In case you haven't contemplated this logistics challenge before: the key is you need to stock shelf-stable products in these stores and at some point in their shelf life, transfer them out to other stores for actual consumption and back fill the emergency stores with fresh lots of new shelf stable products. You're just buying more shelf-stable supply once and then managing the transit through the supply chain with s…

What if people could have large residential storage units in their neighborhoods and apartment complexes, where everyone could stock up on their own personal supply as needed?

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Re: Danish supermarket chain is setting up "Emergency Stores"

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Post by W3zzy »

Eupolemos wrote: post #112
TowerTall wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Denmark are. Only two days ago the danish PM on public TV said the had ordered the head of the danish military to "buy, buy, buy" [1][2] [as many weapons as the can get their hands on]. This is repeatition of of what she said 6 months ago[3] [1] https://www.dr.dk/drn-video/67b5f9f966d82a0507aeda6a [2] https://www.berlingske.dk/politik/mette-frederiksen-vil-slaa... [3] https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/denmark-boos…

Not 2 days ago, but in February, iirc. We are thankfully on quite the shopping spree, we have also decided to include women into conscription (and that conscripts can be used for real missions, iirc) and we are financing and building Ukrainian weapons like the Flamingo. Also, Scandinavia has pooled our airforces into one airforce, surpassing the UK, France etc. in size.

Belgian youngsters aged 17 wil get a voluntary call for 'vacation camps' in the army in a few weeks. Recently a lot of people were hired four the federal and regional governments to handle strategic supplies. All Belgians were asked to stock their own 3 day emergency kit.

Re: Danish supermarket chain is setting up "Emergency Stores"

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Post by jandrewrogers »

ionwake wrote: post #114

Not sure if this is of interest but I was living in Denmark during the "announcement" that the country was closing flights as COVID was now being taken seriously. Being somewhat of a "cautious" prepper mentality, though never having really done any prepping, I thought I would walk to the supermarket at night in a suburb of Copenahgen to get some extra tuna just in case. Mind you this was about an hour after the annou…

I was in Denmark at the time they announced they were closing flights. I was flying out the next day. My experience was orderly, as I would expect, but things took on a strange vibe.

Re: Danish supermarket chain is setting up "Emergency Stores"

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Post by xp84 »

ambicapter wrote: post #35

Wait, so we're now approaching risk levels high enough that's its economically feasible for businesses to prepare for situations where their stores lose power, telecom, and resupply? Are we already preparing for land war across western Europe?

Yeah, in my humble opinion anyone in Europe that considers wider war breaking out to be farfetched is not paying enough attention.

You can be forgiven however if you're a millennial (as I am) or younger, because the long peace has been so long that it seems crazy that Russia might start dropping bombs, say, on Copenhagen or London. "They wouldn't dare attack NATO" we would have said 10 years ago. But today, NATO is at risk since too much of its credibility is tied to the US and the US is now unpredictable. With one stroke of an "executive order" pen the US could just call backsies and pull out if one man considers it politically advantageous to him to do so. That has been unthinkable for 75 years and now it's just reality.

Russia is a lot less afraid of Western Europe than they were/are of NATO. Would they win? IDK. But my perception is that the very notion of war would shock the s**t out of the 20-somethings that Western Europe would need to conscript in order to fight an all-out war. If too many refused to fight, Putin might just roll in there relatively unchallenged.

Note: US civilians are certainly not any more ready to enlist than Europe's! But the US is the only Western country with (almost) enough people already enlisted to be a credible threat in a major war.

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Post by willvarfar »

throwawayqqq11 wrote: post #92
0xWTF wrote: post #53

In case you haven't contemplated this logistics challenge before: the key is you need to stock shelf-stable products in these stores and at some point in their shelf life, transfer them out to other stores for actual consumption and back fill the emergency stores with fresh lots of new shelf stable products. You're just buying more shelf-stable supply once and then managing the transit through the supply chain with s…

> stock shelf-stable products in these stores and at some point in their shelf life, transfer them out to other stores for actual consumption Back in my days in retail, we were ordered to put resupply as FILO into the shelfs. It makes sense to sell the oldest products first. So why the transfer shuffle?

Isn't selling older products first first-in-first-out (FIFO) instead of first-in-last-out (FILO)?

Re: Danish supermarket chain is setting up "Emergency Stores"

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Post by cl0ckt0wer »

0xWTF wrote: post #53

In case you haven't contemplated this logistics challenge before: the key is you need to stock shelf-stable products in these stores and at some point in their shelf life, transfer them out to other stores for actual consumption and back fill the emergency stores with fresh lots of new shelf stable products. You're just buying more shelf-stable supply once and then managing the transit through the supply chain with s…

What is the difference between this and a slightly larger warehouse?

Re: Danish supermarket chain is setting up "Emergency Stores"

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Post by jamesblonde »

chvid wrote: post #118

One of our biggest practical vulnerabilities is that our payment and electronic id infrastructure (nets, dankort, mitid) has been sold off to a private company (Mastercard) even though it was at one point a government owned and developed setup.

In Sweden, we have Swish, thank God. We don't have Greenland either, so people aren't as worried about 'exogenous shocks'.

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Post by bauruine »

Razengan wrote: post #117
0xWTF wrote: post #53

In case you haven't contemplated this logistics challenge before: the key is you need to stock shelf-stable products in these stores and at some point in their shelf life, transfer them out to other stores for actual consumption and back fill the emergency stores with fresh lots of new shelf stable products. You're just buying more shelf-stable supply once and then managing the transit through the supply chain with s…

What if people could have large residential storage units in their neighborhoods and apartment complexes, where everyone could stock up on their own personal supply as needed?

Or even better we could build cupboards in the aparments and people just keep their personal supply. /s

All my shelf stable products have been in my pantry for a few months before I even open them. You can do FILO yourself and have always a nice emergency supply and it can even cheaper because you can buy the stuff on sale most of the time. The problem is that many people just buy day to day and already have a problem when the shops are closed for a holiday they haven't anticipated because they buy just in time.

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