And here is where US citizens can go to file an anti-trust complaint: http://www.justice.gov/atr/contact/newcase.html
Intel says Clover Trail will not work with Linux
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Re: Intel says Clover Trail will not work with Linux
#42Intel's decision to support only Windows 8 on Clover Trail might work for laptops but seems very risky for tablets, where x86 tablets running Windows 8 look to be priced close to Apple's Ipad and significantly higher than Google's Nexus 7 and Amazon's Kindle Fire HD. Uhm, they surely meant the other way around? Practically no one have ever switched OS on a tablet/phone whereas on a laptop you'd certainly expect to be…
"on a laptop you'd certainly expect to be able to run linux. " The fraction of end users to whom it would occur to consider Linux on their laptop is tiny. The fraction of consumers who would consider it is even smaller. The fraction of consumers who would expect their new laptop to support Linux is negligible. The expectations of the HN community are atypicle.
And regardless, you can, rightly, expect a laptop to be able to run linux (albeit you can't expect it to be quirk-free).
You can run linux and other operating systems on many phones and tablets as well. But the fraction of those that consider that is waay smaller than for a laptop (and I doubt anyone would expect it from a typical phone/tablet). As well as the result being barely usable and more of a proof of concept in the very most of the cases.
Re: Intel says Clover Trail will not work with Linux
#43>However Intel said Clover Trail "is a Windows 8 chip" and that "the chip cannot run Linux". This will merely be seen as a challenge by the Linux community. Edit: Also it's not that it won't run, it simply won't be supported. Which shouldn't be new to any Linux user by now.
Thanks for that. I hadn't read the article yet but it didn't make sense why Linux wouldn't work. Windows and Linux are both just computer code after all.
Re: Intel says Clover Trail will not work with Linux
#44"Unix BSD based IOS" When I read this, I realized that the author was supporting a preconceived conclusion. Apple uses ARM, in no small part because they bought a fan not long ago; and, of course, iOS is not out in the wild to be installed on hardware from OEM's such as Acer or HP.
"The company was founded as Advanced RISC Machines, ARM, a joint venture between Acorn Computers, Apple Computer (now Apple Inc.) and VLSI Technology."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Holdings
Apple have been involved with ARM since the start, back in 1990.
Re: Intel says Clover Trail will not work with Linux
#45Sounds like a perfect opportunity for AMD.
Re: Intel says Clover Trail will not work with Linux
#46It's not that the chip won't run linux. It's that the device it comes shipped in will be UEFI locked down such as to make it impossible to install anything... Until it's jailbroken and you install whatever on it you like.
Why do people keep saying this? The x86 devices are required to allow loading other OS.
Re: Intel says Clover Trail will not work with Linux
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Android has made Nokia nearly bankrupt already, Siemens/BenQ has stopped making mobile phones while Android existed. Windows CE/Mobile/whatever seems to have no chance on the market anymore, eventhough they seem technical superior! Palm completely failed with its WebOS. In fact Blackberry is the last survivor of the old cellphone world. (EDIT: And Samsung of course, but they are just copying Apple stuff and get sued…
I thought that MS made a stack of cash from Android via patent extortion methods?
You have any evidence for that?
Re: Intel says Clover Trail will not work with Linux
#48Minecraft has shown that good games don't need the latest and greatest video to be fun and popular.
Re: Intel says Clover Trail will not work with Linux
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Android has made Nokia nearly bankrupt already, Siemens/BenQ has stopped making mobile phones while Android existed. Windows CE/Mobile/whatever seems to have no chance on the market anymore, eventhough they seem technical superior! Palm completely failed with its WebOS. In fact Blackberry is the last survivor of the old cellphone world. (EDIT: And Samsung of course, but they are just copying Apple stuff and get sued…
Google made only $550 million from Android between 2008 and 2011 according to figures from the Oracle trial ( http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/mar/29/google-earn... ), compared to $38 billion in total revenues for 2011. While half a billion over three years is not trivial, it is rather insignificant compared to $38 billion over one year for search advertising. Trefis analysis of Google's stock price estimate…
Interesting numbers...
However those numbers are not everything. What counts is whether customers buy products or not. There are plenty of examples of successful mass products that were sold too cheap. For instance Microsoft's X-Box, they sold it much under price. You might list that under marketing costs. Their strategy however paied off, now they are a big player in the game device market.
Of course Google spend lots of money into Android, we don't want to imagine what all this patent crap and marketing costs. Android is however the predominant mobile platform and HTC its biggest vendor. (With reference devices I mean the actual devices that were supposed to be used by developers.)
Samsung is without question in a nice position but they are replacable, they are a big brand and they have a lot to loose. HTC appeared out of nowhere and is now one of the biggest players in the smartphone market. Just ask yourself who the real profit makers are.
Samsung is doing short-term profit. You know why? Because people don't by Samsung devices, they buy Android devices. It's not Apple vs Samsung vs HTC, it's iOS vs Android.
Going back to the actual topic: who cares what processor is inside an Android? Only the CPU manufacturers. The customers and the assemblers just care about software support and performance.
Re: Intel says Clover Trail will not work with Linux
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
"on a laptop you'd certainly expect to be able to run linux. " The fraction of end users to whom it would occur to consider Linux on their laptop is tiny. The fraction of consumers who would consider it is even smaller. The fraction of consumers who would expect their new laptop to support Linux is negligible. The expectations of the HN community are atypicle.
And regardless, you can, rightly, expect a laptop to be able to run linux (albeit you can't expect it to be quirk-free). You can run linux and other operating systems on many phones and tablets as well. But the fraction of those that consider that is waay smaller than for a laptop (and I doubt anyone would expect it from a typical phone/tablet). As well as the result being barely usable and more of a proof of concept…
One should no more expect to be able to run Linux on their laptop than OSX.