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GrapheneOS and forensic extraction of data (2024)

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Re: GrapheneOS and forensic extraction of data (2024)

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Post by imiric »

djrj477dhsnv wrote: post #42
azalemeth wrote: post #10

I really love Graphene OS but I _wish_ there was a version in which you could get a root shell and extract private data of apps you install when verified as the user. The developers are on record as saying that root blows a hole in their security model (it does!) but if there was _some_ way of doing it safely, so I can modify applications I as the user wish to, it would be my ideal OS. I know I could download and sel…

I wish this as well. I make a userdebug build myself to get adb root, which isn't difficult, but would be a lot nicer if it were officially supported.

That's interesting. Can you share a guide for doing that?

Re: GrapheneOS and forensic extraction of data (2024)

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Post by rangerelf »

p0w3n3d wrote: post #4

There is no such thing like "bad government" and "good government". I mean - it really depends on people's views, therefore we must not blissfully put our data into govt hands because "they will protect us from terrorists and child rapists". What they will do, actually, is that for sure they will abuse innocent citizens at some point of time. They will. Even if they don't, they will. Or maybe they are doing it right…

You're being willfully dense, I do not believe it's up for debate.

Governments that public force to kidnap, torture, murder, "disappear" their own citizens, are bad. Plenty of examples to go around, both historically and currently: China, Russia, México, North Korea, Belarus, the balcans, plenty of African governments, etc.

It shouldn't matter that "34% of my neighbors" want me sent to a concentration camp, personally I wouldn't want to end up there.

The example you're giving, the whole "it really depends on people's views, ..." is a bad government.

And the truth is that it's easy to be a good government: don't be bad.

Edit: fixed a word.

Re: GrapheneOS and forensic extraction of data (2024)

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Post by warkdarrior »

megaloblasto wrote: post #31
keerthiko wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

most of the explanation from the horse's mouth will be found here: https://grapheneos.org/faq#device-support

Thanks > These devices meet the stringent privacy and security standards and have substantial upstream and downstream hardening specific to the devices It still seems strange. A big part of GrapheneOS is to provide a safeguard from Googles data hoarding, yet it works primarily on Google phones.

Conspiracy theory time: GrapheneOS is a skunkworks project from Google, to sell more Pixel hardware.

Re: GrapheneOS and forensic extraction of data (2024)

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Post by chuckSu »

rangerelf wrote: post #52
p0w3n3d wrote: post #4

There is no such thing like "bad government" and "good government". I mean - it really depends on people's views, therefore we must not blissfully put our data into govt hands because "they will protect us from terrorists and child rapists". What they will do, actually, is that for sure they will abuse innocent citizens at some point of time. They will. Even if they don't, they will. Or maybe they are doing it right…

You're being willfully dense, I do not believe it's up for debate. Governments that public force to kidnap, torture, murder, "disappear" their own citizens, are bad. Plenty of examples to go around, both historically and currently: China, Russia, México, North Korea, Belarus, the balcans, plenty of African governments, etc. It shouldn't matter that "34% of my neighbors" want me sent to a concentration camp, personall…

You’ve got quite a list of examples there. In 2025 that list of examples should include the US and Israel

Re: GrapheneOS and forensic extraction of data (2024)

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Post by bflesch »

Crontab wrote: post #53

I am probably the only one but the geek in me would love to see an article where digital forensics are used against the most common operating systems in their most secure configuration - just to see how they compare with one another.

All is well

Re: GrapheneOS and forensic extraction of data (2024)

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Post by dsign »

This kinds of make me want to get a pixel and install GrafeneOS there.

I'll admit that big companies may have some incentive to protect their users' privacy; but they are an easy legal target. If tomorrow the US or EU pass legislation that mandates a backdoor in all mobile devices, the entire world is screwed.

Re: GrapheneOS and forensic extraction of data (2024)

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Post by jbstack »

rangerelf wrote: post #52
p0w3n3d wrote: post #4

There is no such thing like "bad government" and "good government". I mean - it really depends on people's views, therefore we must not blissfully put our data into govt hands because "they will protect us from terrorists and child rapists". What they will do, actually, is that for sure they will abuse innocent citizens at some point of time. They will. Even if they don't, they will. Or maybe they are doing it right…

You're being willfully dense, I do not believe it's up for debate. Governments that public force to kidnap, torture, murder, "disappear" their own citizens, are bad. Plenty of examples to go around, both historically and currently: China, Russia, México, North Korea, Belarus, the balcans, plenty of African governments, etc. It shouldn't matter that "34% of my neighbors" want me sent to a concentration camp, personall…

Ok, so how do you categorise a country like Norway (typically viewed as a "good" country by most people) which knowingly invests money from its sovereign fund into companies which are linked to the Israeli military which (in many people's view) is currently causing genocide and widespread starvation?

At what point does the "good" cross over into the "bad"? Is it ok that having a highly regarded government comes at the price of dead children? How about the sizeable group of people (e.g. in the US and Israel) who don't believe there is any genocide at all? Doesn't that make the whole thing subjective?

Re: GrapheneOS and forensic extraction of data (2024)

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Post by into_ruin »

dsign wrote: post #57

This kinds of make me want to get a pixel and install GrafeneOS there. I'll admit that big companies may have some incentive to protect their users' privacy; but they are an easy legal target. If tomorrow the US or EU pass legislation that mandates a backdoor in all mobile devices, the entire world is screwed.

FWIW, the UK recently cited the Investigatory Powers Act of 2016 in an attempt to force Apple to create a backdoor, but Apple refused

Re: GrapheneOS and forensic extraction of data (2024)

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Post by jonas21 »

danans wrote: post #35
jbstack wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aside from the fact that there's a subjective definition problem here (how do we decide what people "need"?), I think this an unrealistic view. By this definition, every government that has ever existed or ever will exist is a "bad" government because no government can ever tackle every single problem 100% of the time. Many problems are extremely difficult to solve (e.g. global warming), and others simply cannot be s…

> Sure, you can tax more up to a point, but eventually that tap runs dry and you're forced to reallocate existing resources. Since the 1980s, we have been consistently taxing less. If the tap is dry, it isn't because of over-taxation - it's because there's a reservoir of wealth hoarded by the relatively few. A even cursory glance at the trajectory of wealth distribution will make that clear.

> Since the 1980s, we have been consistently taxing less.

Assuming "we" means the United States, this isn't really true. Tax revenue as a percentage of GDP has been remarkably stable, not just since the 1980s, but since the end of World War II [1].

The long-term average since 1945 is 16.85%, the average in the 1970s (i.e. the decade before the 80s) was 16.76%, and the average in the 2020s is 16.96%.

[1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFRGDA188S

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