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Re: Ask HN: Has the Gaza war affected the HN crowd?

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Post by msarrel »

It really opened my eyes to the lack of actual interest in reality. The number of people willing to believe what they're told by social media or by the popular kids far exceed those who would try to understand the situation.

It fascinates me that it's become so popular to defend people from reprisals for their own elected government's actions.

I also found it really interesting that over a thousand Israelis were killed, yet the people I work with immediately started saying that any kind of response was totally unfair to the Palestinians. Not a single word of compassion for the Israelis who were killed. But I guess that's not a trending thought.

Re: Ask HN: Has the Gaza war affected the HN crowd?

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Post by gizmo686 »

In my personal life, it has had a rather significant effect; although still trivial compared to those in the region.

I'm Jewish, and opinions in my extended family about Israel have always been in tension; but this war has brought it to an untenable level. I've stopped going what had previously been the normal Shabbat and holiday dinners, in favor of smaller ones with family that is less pro Israel (and very staunchly anti Netenyahu). Even there we more or less avoid the topic. Our less Passover sedar involved a very thinly veiled discussion about the war, which did not go particularly well.

Professionally, there has been much less of an effect. I work for a US defense contractor. For the most part, we avoid talking about it. From the little conversation, I have had, there seems to be a general morale drop; but that might be a selection effect with who I am willing to talk to about it.

The only time Israel became an open topic of discussion was after the pager bombs. Even then, it was pretty much a professional "and this is why we have so much red tape around supply chain management".

Re: Ask HN: Has the Gaza war affected the HN crowd?

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Post by cbeach »

msarrel wrote: post #11

It really opened my eyes to the lack of actual interest in reality. The number of people willing to believe what they're told by social media or by the popular kids far exceed those who would try to understand the situation. It fascinates me that it's become so popular to defend people from reprisals for their own elected government's actions. I also found it really interesting that over a thousand Israelis were kill…

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Re: Ask HN: Has the Gaza war affected the HN crowd?

#14

Post by cbeach »

ok1984 wrote: post #8

Personally it impacted me in a way that I have lost faith in humanity. Everybody talks, but no body cares, no body takes serious actions. Kids, women, elderly, whole families are being killed for almost two years and no body gives a shit. Millions of people trapped in a land and moved from north to south from south to north like animals, have you seen videos of starving people running in masses to get food from aids…

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Re: Ask HN: Has the Gaza war affected the HN crowd?

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Post by tguvot »

msarrel wrote: post #11

It really opened my eyes to the lack of actual interest in reality. The number of people willing to believe what they're told by social media or by the popular kids far exceed those who would try to understand the situation. It fascinates me that it's become so popular to defend people from reprisals for their own elected government's actions. I also found it really interesting that over a thousand Israelis were kill…

first sentence in article: "I watched as the goal of mainstream journalism shifted from describing reality to ushering readers to the correct political conclusion."

https://www.thefp.com/p/friedman-when-we-started-to-lie

Re: Ask HN: Has the Gaza war affected the HN crowd?

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Post by cbeach »

gizmo686 wrote: post #12

In my personal life, it has had a rather significant effect; although still trivial compared to those in the region. I'm Jewish, and opinions in my extended family about Israel have always been in tension; but this war has brought it to an untenable level. I've stopped going what had previously been the normal Shabbat and holiday dinners, in favor of smaller ones with family that is less pro Israel (and very staunchl…

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Re: Ask HN: Has the Gaza war affected the HN crowd?

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Post by ok1984 »

cbeach wrote: post #14
ok1984 wrote: post #8

Personally it impacted me in a way that I have lost faith in humanity. Everybody talks, but no body cares, no body takes serious actions. Kids, women, elderly, whole families are being killed for almost two years and no body gives a shit. Millions of people trapped in a land and moved from north to south from south to north like animals, have you seen videos of starving people running in masses to get food from aids…

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Come on man, try to put yourself in others people shoes and have a bit of humanity otherwise the hate cycle will never end.

I never thought that people should be killed because of an election, today almost 50% of Gaza people are And please we are in 2025 we are not in WWII anymore, if it happened to germany doesn’t justify making it happen again, we should learn from the mistakes of the past instead of repeating them.

Re: Ask HN: Has the Gaza war affected the HN crowd?

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Post by cbeach »

ok1984 wrote: post #17
cbeach wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Come on man, try to put yourself in others people shoes and have a bit of humanity otherwise the hate cycle will never end. I never thought that people should be killed because of an election, today almost 50% of Gaza people are And please we are in 2025 we are not in WWII anymore, if it happened to germany doesn’t justify making it happen again, we should learn from the mistakes of the past instead of repeating them…

If Gaza were rid of the Islamist terrorists that lead then then it would be better for Israel and also much better for the innocent youth of Gaza.

Unfortunately there is no way for the innocent youth of Gaza to rid themselves of Hamas. In fact Hamas actively endoctrinates the youth.

The only way for Gazan youth to be saved from a cycle of terrorist-led hatred is for Israel (or another developed power) to remove the terrorists.

Re: Ask HN: Has the Gaza war affected the HN crowd?

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Post by thefunkychook »

cbeach wrote: post #14
ok1984 wrote: post #8

Personally it impacted me in a way that I have lost faith in humanity. Everybody talks, but no body cares, no body takes serious actions. Kids, women, elderly, whole families are being killed for almost two years and no body gives a shit. Millions of people trapped in a land and moved from north to south from south to north like animals, have you seen videos of starving people running in masses to get food from aids…

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The events of October 7th were an atrocity. The illegal settlements and extrajudicial killing of Palestinians prior to October 7th was an atrocity. The launching of rockets into Israel were atrocities. Israeli citizens cheering and watching from deck chairs while white phosphorus was dropped onto Gaza was an atrocity. And this ongoing slaughter, starving of civilians, murder of people waiting for aid in designated humanitarian areas, targeting of doctors, journalists, aid workers, double tapping of hospitals, missile strikes on other sovereign states who are hosting negotiations... Those are atrocities. The whole history is riddled with atrocity on both sides.

The only way out of this, while retaining some shred of humanity is through diplomacy, upholding international law, and centring the role of civil society and the huge numbers on both sides who want a peaceful, just coexistence.

The whole thing is sickening. Also hard to see how this can possibly improve Israel's security in the long term.

Re: Ask HN: Has the Gaza war affected the HN crowd?

#20

Post by ok1984 »

cbeach wrote: post #18
ok1984 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come on man, try to put yourself in others people shoes and have a bit of humanity otherwise the hate cycle will never end. I never thought that people should be killed because of an election, today almost 50% of Gaza people are And please we are in 2025 we are not in WWII anymore, if it happened to germany doesn’t justify making it happen again, we should learn from the mistakes of the past instead of repeating them…

If Gaza were rid of the Islamist terrorists that lead then then it would be better for Israel and also much better for the innocent youth of Gaza. Unfortunately there is no way for the innocent youth of Gaza to rid themselves of Hamas. In fact Hamas actively endoctrinates the youth. The only way for Gazan youth to be saved from a cycle of terrorist-led hatred is for Israel (or another developed power) to remove the t…

Don’t you think that what is happening will lead to a generation that hates their neighbours even more?

If I were in charge, I would create the circumstances that prevent poverty, create work, and encourage cooperation between both nations hoping that time will heal the hate and anger that both sides accumulated over the years, this requires wisdom and patience from the political party that is smart enough to understand that neither party can redeem the whole land for themselves.

But as long as each party refuses to accept the other, regardless if they say it publicly or not the hate will never end.

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