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Re: Why Quora Won't Scale

#31

Sigh. Here we go - bring it on Quorans... I wanted to like Quora. I really did. Theoretically, Quora should be a wet dream for me: insightful discussions, check. Answers from bright people, check. A place to learn, to read, to spend hours on soaking in information, check. I never could have guessed that spending time on Quora would turn out to be more of a nightmare. As the article points out, Quora is a dictatorship…

Quora has found its niche among intellectuals who don't mind the stringent rules, and that's great. It's just not for me, and I suspect from what I've observed that it's not for a lot of other people too. Which means that "Quora will never grow to to the size of facebook or reddit". Let's temper our expectations, people. Quora is fine for what it is. Are there lessons to be learned from Quora? I think so. I've though…

You describe some dire, humorless Quora, not the one I use. I've seen plenty of misspellings. Founder (and Harvard grad) Charlie Cheever used "its" instead of "it's" several times in one answer. I've made typos that I went back and corrected myself.

Humor:

https://www.quora.com/Ultimate-Frisbee/Is-it-possible-to-pla...

https://www.quora.com/Marc-Bodnick-1/Does-Marc-Bodnick-ever-...

https://www.quora.com/Chief-Executive-Officers/Who-is-the-mo...

Casual subjects:

https://www.quora.com/Hipsters

https://www.quora.com/What-Ani-Is-Wearing

You can answer anonymously, but you have to register.

There's sheer irreverence in some of the boards (new feature, non-Q&A posts):

https://www.quora.com/DeathByPuns

For something completely freeform and casual, Yahoo Answers exists (I've actually found useful answers in it too, rarely).

Re: Why Quora Won't Scale

#32

Sigh. Here we go - bring it on Quorans... I wanted to like Quora. I really did. Theoretically, Quora should be a wet dream for me: insightful discussions, check. Answers from bright people, check. A place to learn, to read, to spend hours on soaking in information, check. I never could have guessed that spending time on Quora would turn out to be more of a nightmare. As the article points out, Quora is a dictatorship…

Quora has found its niche among intellectuals who don't mind the stringent rules, and that's great. It's just not for me, and I suspect from what I've observed that it's not for a lot of other people too. Which means that "Quora will never grow to to the size of facebook or reddit". Let's temper our expectations, people. Quora is fine for what it is. Are there lessons to be learned from Quora? I think so. I've though…

You briefly mentioned Reddit, it sounds like there's a lot of potential overlap in the demographic (and certain subreddits, especially AskReddit). You might want to add a "How is it different from Reddit".

Also, I'm still struggling to understand the vision from your description here and there. I hope you can find a way to be more succinct. The main example I see here is Kate Middleton's dress, which afaict would be fine on Quora.

Also, I don't know why you say Quora doesn't like humor, it allows and (and heavily upvotes) questions like http://www.quora.com/Brogramming/How-does-a-programmer-becom... whimsical questions like http://www.quora.com/Superheroes/Given-our-current-technolog... which would never be given the time of day on Wikipedia and probably not on a relevant StackExchange either.

Re: Why Quora Won't Scale

#33
Anonymity (pseudo-anonymity) certainly has downsides but over the years I have found the better thoughts come from posters who are _not_ attaching themselves to a Real Name(TM) that is connected to a web site^W business that would love to attract more followers^W customers.

Anonymous comments have to stand on their own. They can't rely on name association. The reader has to evaluate them for their content, not their author. This is a good thing.

Another thing I have learned over many years of using the web is that intelligent people do not always make intelligent comments. We are all inconsistent; we're human. It's foolish to assume everything Joe the Self-Proclaimed Expert says is going to be worth reading. Sometimes he will say stupid things. By the same token people who in the real world might not be deemed intelligent can sometimes have some brilliant insights. It would be foolish to assume that every comment they make is worthless simply because of the name it's attached to. Anonymous commenting allows each comment to be evaluated individually. It addresses the inherent inconsistency of human comments and protects readers from making unwarranted assumptions. Unless of course they assume every anonymous post automatically falls into some category with respect to its content. IMO, that sort of thinking is the mark of web inexperience.

The notion of "experts" is vastly overrated. This is an idea used to sell advice and services. Socrates figured this out hundreds of years ago. Read what Socrates learned and you too will learn something abut "experts" and earned reputations as "authorities" on given subjects. Learn how to form questions. In learning, it is my opinion that questions, knowing how to formulate them, are far more important than answers.

The web is blissfully free from the hard sell of the "expert" while still being a great place to discover many types of "expertise". No one is demanding to see how many degrees or certifications anyone else has. No one cares about your "reputation". People are just interested in knowledge, no matter who it might come from. They can then evaluate it on their own. Without anyone telling them what to do or think.

This is not stopping some from trying to force their own system, with "experts" and "reputation" and so forth. In my opinion, none of them will scale. The main attraction of the web is that it is free from those sort of restraints. There are plenty of experts on the web, but they do not have to self-promote. They might not be trying to sell anything; maybe they just share their thoughts for the joy of sharing.

Anonymous posting is as close to pure thought, free from real world biases like identities, credentials and reputations, as we're going to get. Every thought can be evaluated on its own merits, irrespective of the submitter.

Re: Why Quora Won't Scale

#34
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Sounds like the author got banned for excessive complaining on Quora and is exceptionally butthurt. I'm a hard core Quora addict and have never encountered most of the things in this post. He's way off about the "elite". Yes there are people who get tons of upvotes and have huge followings but in every case I've seen it's because they are well known off of Quora or they give consistently amazing answers, often both.…

"Sounds like the author got banned for excessive complaining on Quora and is exceptionally butthurt. I'm a hard core Quora addict and have never encountered most of the things in this post."

"He's way off about the "elite"."

You know, I think I can see where she may be coming from with some of these complaints.

Re: Why Quora Won't Scale

#35
After a friend told me about Quora, I spent some time lurking and after a month or so I decided to just skip it. I saw a lot of the same behavior mentioned in the article. If you want a obvious glimpse, just subscribe to the Politics group.

I'm sure there's a core group of people who love and swear by it, it just seems most of the comments in the posts are usually one way traffic. You either agree or just get downvoted into oblivion.

For someone looking for a welcoming community, this is not the sort of impression you want to give new users.

Re: Why Quora Won't Scale

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quora has found its niche among intellectuals who don't mind the stringent rules, and that's great. It's just not for me, and I suspect from what I've observed that it's not for a lot of other people too. Which means that "Quora will never grow to to the size of facebook or reddit". Let's temper our expectations, people. Quora is fine for what it is. Are there lessons to be learned from Quora? I think so. I've though…

You briefly mentioned Reddit, it sounds like there's a lot of potential overlap in the demographic (and certain subreddits, especially AskReddit). You might want to add a "How is it different from Reddit". Also, I'm still struggling to understand the vision from your description here and there. I hope you can find a way to be more succinct. The main example I see here is Kate Middleton's dress, which afaict would be…

There is definitely overlap, which is why I mentioned reddit :) Overlap doesn't have to be a bad thing. Reddit is one my favorite sites. users can visit reddit as well as visit pozium.

Pozium wouldn't be link-based. Users would publish essays or insights or ask questions. Pozium is based around concepts. Not article links.

Sorry I didn't want to go into pozium on HN. I linked to a more articulate description of the vision.

There is certainly humor on Quora. I wasn't sure 'jokes' were appreciated. Your examples show that I was wrong. But then from where did I get that impression that overall the site just felt too serious for me? I don't think they're managing the user experience very well.

Re: Why Quora Won't Scale

#38
Seeing as I live in New York, I am by definition not part of the Silicon Valley in-crowd.

My experience on Quora has been extremely positive. Right now, it's one of the best online communities for quality of content.

People who call Quora a nasty community because of downvoting have no idea what they're talking about. Wikipedia in 2004-5 was nasty. Personal attacks all over the place, edit wars and tag teaming (troll raids by influential people, justified by the "3 revert rule"). There was one guy who created a bunch of sock puppet accounts and attempted to attribute them to me on a still-infamous hate page, in which he claimed about 50 accounts, most nonexistent, were my sock puppets when many of them were later established to be his. (Half the accounts weren't used for anything but have obscene names.) That is what I call nasty. Downvotes on Quora aren't anywhere close to that.

I haven't seen Quora get even on the same planet as what Wikipedia was when I last edited (which was more than 5 years ago).

I don't agree with the decision to collapse answers based on 1 downvote, but if I'm really interested in a question, I'll usually read all the answers anyway, so I don't find it to be a major hindrance. Besides, being downvoted isn't a big deal: fewer people read your answer; so what?

Quora's great, at least from my experience. It might be that I stay away from extremely charged topics (e.g. politics) but I've never encountered any of this stuff-- and I've seen it a lot on other internet communities.

Re: Why Quora Won't Scale

#39
This article applies to just about every single internet discussion community I've ever been a part of since I started using the internet back in 1999.

First, a community is founded with a small handful of users. Those small handful of users all know the topic well, so good discussion arises. Those small number of users all know each other, and form a bond. Once word gets out that the community is a place where high quality discussion occurs, people start joining in droves. The small handful of people who were there since the beginning start feeling like that community "belongs" to them, and start acting hostile towards the "noobs". You also have this phenomenon where the new users desperately want to be "accepted" by the establishment, so they'll suck up to the core users, which results in cliquish behavior and it really kills the site for anyone who just wants to discuss and learn about he topic/hobby the community was founded on.

It's happened to Something Awful, JetCareers, the entirety of usenet, and yes even Hacker News.

Re: Why Quora Won't Scale

#40

I'm still unable to get a clear answer to the basic question "Why should I use Quora?" I work at a startup in Austin, I read HN daily, I enjoy news about SV startups, etc. Still, I haven't found a compelling reason to spend any substantial time on Quora. I'm happy to read a particularly insightful answer when I see the occasional link pop up on another site, but that doesn't make me want to search Quora for other inf…

Quora is just so much better than Ask MetaFilter, Reddit's Q&A/advice subreddits (/r/askreddit, /r/answers, /r/doesanybodyelse etc.), or (dare I say it) Yahoo Answers for nontrivial, factual answers dependent on expertise. Quora is for people who benefit from or enjoy such questions and answers. The longtime existence of all these Q&A communities shows that there is a market for it. There's the most overlap with Ask…

Part of my reluctance to use it is i'm not sure it's ever going to give the investors the return they demand, and I don't see it surviving or staying wholesome in the process.
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