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Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

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Post by ktta »

mandeepj wrote: post #83

I recently started studying metal, so I was watching their metal choices with a bit of curiosity. Apple switched iPhone 17 Pro from Titanium (used in earlier versions) to aerospace-grade Aluminium for Superior Heat Dissipation. But for the iPhone Air, they are using Titanium because it's lightweight, strong, and durable. Aluminum is definitely a softer metal, so using aerospace-grade aluminum makes sense. So, is Tita…

Since iPhone Air is thinner, it needs to use titanium for the increased rigidity to avoid another iPhone 6-eqsue 'bendgate' at the risk of worse heat dissipation

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

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Post by astrange »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #78
astrange wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no such thing as a digital camera without processing. But third party camera apps can get images as raw as they want them and it supports professional video standards. Try Halide with "Process Zero" if you want that, but I'm pretty sure the most popular 3p camera apps are Asian beauty apps that do far more and far worse quality processing.

Sure there is. Shoot in Raw format. Get a file representing a matrix of the sensor readout for each rgb pixel. Your post processing software of choice handles interpolation to the method of your choice.

> the sensor readout for each rgb pixel

Camera pixels are only one color at a time:

GGRR

BBGG

(quad-Bayer; Fujifilm uses a weirder one called X-Trans. And some of them will be missing because they're damaged or are focus pixels.)

And then you still have to do white balance and tone mapping, because your eyes do that and the camera sensor doesn't.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

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Post by losvedir »

ihuman wrote: post #86
losvedir wrote: post #2

I'm still on an iPhone 11 and this might finally be the one to get me to upgrade. I don't need the "Pro" stuff, but the ProMotion was always frustratingly only associated with the Pro phones. That said, I'm sort of frustrated with iOS overall, and sorely tempted to go back to Pixels, so I can't decide.

The air and the non-pro 17 have ProMotion

Right! That's why I said this might be the one to finally get me, since I'm not interested in Pro, other than ProMotion.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

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Post by jerlam »

kblissett wrote: post #45
al_borland wrote: post #30

I really like the new unibody design on the 17 Pro, as well as the orange. That seems like the first iPhone might feel like bypassing the case. However, seeing as I just got a 16 Pro last year, I don't think I can justify an upgrade just yet. Overall this year seemed much better than last year.

The AT&T carrier deals this year are wild. It seems like they’ll just throw a new phone at you for free as long as you agree to stay for 3 years.

Prepaid is so competitive now that "a free phone" is one of the few reasons to go postpaid (other than ignorance).

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

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Post by xenonite »

Camera lens angles of the 17 Pro seem strange to me.

Either too wide (1x) or too narrow (4x), as seen in the live stream video, which was recorded with the iPhone 17 Pro.

I am currently on the 13 Pro, I find the 3x mode ideal for portrait photos and videos.

Is it only me with this impression? Could someone help me to jump back into Apple's reality distortion field?

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

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Post by musha68k »

astrange wrote: post #62
musha68k wrote: post #7

Through the last iterations I only ever upgrade my iPhone whenever there is a "meaningful" RAM upgrade in it for me. So this one here is not too bad going from 8GB to 12GB (Air, Pro, Pro Max).

You won't notice a difference, RAM upgrades get used by new camera features. Use an ad blocker if you want Safari tabs to stay open longer.

Unless we get to see someone doing more in-depth profiling we can't know. This should still give more headroom across app usage; especially when not using the camera then and probably even with (it's a 50% increase versus last mem max).

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

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Post by losvedir »

bitpush wrote: post #9
losvedir wrote: post #2

I'm still on an iPhone 11 and this might finally be the one to get me to upgrade. I don't need the "Pro" stuff, but the ProMotion was always frustratingly only associated with the Pro phones. That said, I'm sort of frustrated with iOS overall, and sorely tempted to go back to Pixels, so I can't decide.

What kind of frustrations do you have on iOS. Since you've used Pixels, you probably are in a good position to compare.

The notifications are the biggest one. iOS insists on this Banner -> Lock Screen -> Notification Center lifecycle, and it drives me crazy that notifications move from Lock Screen to Notification Center simply by unlocking the phone and then doesn't show Notification Center notifications at a glance. I've missed so many notifications that way, because I quickly unlocked my phone to deal with something, thereby dismissing my current Lock Screen notifications, and then failing to realize that I had some, because when I tap my screen to light it up they don't show up (you have to explicitly swipe up to reveal Notification Center). Beyond that, I really appreciated Android's little top bar that shows the app icons that had notifications so I could quickly see if it was Slack, email, etc, that I had. Finally, Android lets you opt out of "Marketing" notifications at an OS level, while iOS doesn't have that.

Beyond that, I get frequent spam SMS's which are stupid. Android blocks all those. I have a Junk mail folder in email and hardly get email spam anymore. It feels like going back 20 years getting these random spam SMS's.

Finally, "glanceability" doesn't seem as good with the iPhone. One silly little thing is that if I'm using my iPhone it's sometimes very hard to see the date! If you have notifications you have to swipe down quite a bit to reveal that.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

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Post by jtbayly »

doublepg23 wrote: post #21
tra3 wrote: post #15

No Mini. Not surprised. I guess I'm gonna replace the battery in my 13 mini finally. Wonder if we'll ever see folding phones. I'm not concerned with the thickness but the overall foot print that's pocketable would be amazing.

The iPhone Air is definitely a testing ground for folding phone technologies.

As in, it will accidentally fold in people’s pockets?

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

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Post by dingaling »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #8

I have a 12 Pro, I am definitely going to be upgrading, I've had my phone for 5 years now (since 2020) that's actually longer than I've owned any other cell phone without upgrading. I think I could probably squeeze more life out of my phone, but the 17 has a nicer camera, me and my wife are noticing our relatives with newer iPhones have photographs that look slightly (I meant to write NOTICEABLY here) better. As we r…

> As we raise our first child, having a quality camera is definitely important to us.

A phone camera isn't really a camera, it's a digitally-airbrushed impression of reality. There just isn't enough light hitting the tiny sensor through the tiny lens.

I have 20 year old 5MP DLSR portrait photos that are still better than what a 120MP phone can produce, because it's the lens that counts.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

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Post by Jaxan »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #47
giancarlostoro wrote: post #8

I have a 12 Pro, I am definitely going to be upgrading, I've had my phone for 5 years now (since 2020) that's actually longer than I've owned any other cell phone without upgrading. I think I could probably squeeze more life out of my phone, but the 17 has a nicer camera, me and my wife are noticing our relatives with newer iPhones have photographs that look slightly (I meant to write NOTICEABLY here) better. As we r…

The issue with the camera in newer iphones is that it uses an Ai engine to smooth things and add details that aren’t there. If you want reference tier photos for documenting family history, modern mirrorless is better. DSLR from 10-15 years ago is also still great in all but the most challenging light conditions, where you could simply use a flash.

Especially on babies, the smoothing or noise reduction is weird. A newborn has a very specific skin with an enormous amount of details/speckles/marks. It’s very hard to capture for some reason. Couldn’t do it with my phone, only with a proper camera and shooting in raw.
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