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Re: US High school students' scores fall in reading and math

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Post by dotnet00 »

lucideng wrote: post #33

The majority of the public school system has devolved into day-care, not education. Most parents just watch TV, stare at their phones and don't want to be bothered by anything that requires effort. A major societal shift needs to happen for this to be reversed. It's many factors... the parents, the food system, various inequalities, social media, technology, healthcare... the solution is multi-pronged. But if I had t…

>Most parents just watch TV, stare at their phones and don't want to be bothered by anything that requires effort

This lazy "answer" to every parenting problem makes me roll my eyes nowadays. It's the equivalent of an umbrella hypothesis, a convenient excuse for not having to consider things in-depth, further justified by seeing parents when they are taking a break and assuming they're always like that.

Re: US High school students' scores fall in reading and math

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Post by Belopolye »

peterfirefly wrote: post #110
hungmung wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The generation raised by iPads are in HS now and American IQ tests scores are in decline, especially in the last 10-15 years.

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You mean to tell me the dirt ISN'T magic?

Re: US High school students' scores fall in reading and math

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Post by titzer »

simpaticoder wrote: post #130
jimt1234 wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The majority of the public school system has devolved into day-care, not education. I resisted that narrative for years, thinking it was just a media-hyped scare tactic to get clicks. However, my niece started high school a few weeks ago (in mid-August, which is weird to me); her experience blew my mind. Her new high school is considered one of the better public high schools in the area. When I asked her how it was…

>Things like no bullying, inclusiveness, fire safety, bring your own water bottle, how to pray When great controversy surrounds the curriculum, the safest thing to teach is nothing at all.

A lot of controversy is fabricated willfully by ideologues who believe absolutely batshit insane things.

Re: US High school students' scores fall in reading and math

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Post by staticman2 »

jimt1234 wrote: post #124
lucideng wrote: post #33

The majority of the public school system has devolved into day-care, not education. Most parents just watch TV, stare at their phones and don't want to be bothered by anything that requires effort. A major societal shift needs to happen for this to be reversed. It's many factors... the parents, the food system, various inequalities, social media, technology, healthcare... the solution is multi-pronged. But if I had t…

> The majority of the public school system has devolved into day-care, not education. I resisted that narrative for years, thinking it was just a media-hyped scare tactic to get clicks. However, my niece started high school a few weeks ago (in mid-August, which is weird to me); her experience blew my mind. Her new high school is considered one of the better public high schools in the area. When I asked her how it was…

Among other things an entire day on active shooter drills?

Is it possible your niece was joking?

Re: US High school students' scores fall in reading and math

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Post by linuxftw »

titzer wrote: post #133
simpaticoder wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Things like no bullying, inclusiveness, fire safety, bring your own water bottle, how to pray When great controversy surrounds the curriculum, the safest thing to teach is nothing at all.

A lot of controversy is fabricated willfully by ideologues who believe absolutely batshit insane things.

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Re: US High school students' scores fall in reading and math

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Post by yepitwas »

bityard wrote: post #95
lenerdenator wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're seeing more districts ban cell phones in the classroom. It makes sense; in my day, the most you could do is text and play Tetris. We didn't have apps that were weaponized to capture our attention and memory like the kids do now. People keep talking about how catastrophic it was to close schools during COVID. We keep having catastrophes and no one does anything about it. If the kids missed school, make them go b…

It's weird to me that cell phones in the classroom is even controversial. When I was in school, some kids had Walkmans, CD players, and game boys. You could bring them to school but they weren't allowed in the classroom without prior approval. In class, you were expected to pay attention to the teacher, even if you didn't want to. If you got caught with a device instead of listening, the teacher simply took it away u…

To be very blunt: trashy parents with too much time on their hands will become enraged and raise a huge stink if their kid can't text them or answer their calls(!) while in class. So many will do this that schools just gave up.

That's why it's nice when states just make it a law. That shuts those people up (or at least forces them to go complain somewhere else, where they're more easily ignored and it takes more effort so they'll probably just give up).

(That's the middle-class schools—in really rough schools, teachers have to pick their battles because actual violence is on the table as a response, even among lower elementary kids, and admin's too busy dealing with things way more serious than some kid texting in class to back teachers up on small stuff like that)

Re: US High school students' scores fall in reading and math

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Post by farceSpherule »

I am not sure why this is news. Classic economic warfare.

Parents with higher education and stable incomes have the resources, time, and knowledge to supplement their children's education. This includes tutoring, enrichment programs, monitoring social media and phone use, and advocating within schools, as well as sending their children to smaller, private schools.

Most Joe Six Pack parents hand their children unrestricted iPhones and let the schools raise and baby sit them, while the parents sit back getting fat soaking up social media and TV.

Re: US High school students' scores fall in reading and math

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Post by thepryz »

VirusNewbie wrote: post #109
lucideng wrote: post #33

The majority of the public school system has devolved into day-care, not education. Most parents just watch TV, stare at their phones and don't want to be bothered by anything that requires effort. A major societal shift needs to happen for this to be reversed. It's many factors... the parents, the food system, various inequalities, social media, technology, healthcare... the solution is multi-pronged. But if I had t…

> Most parents just watch TV, stare at their phones and don't want to be bothered by anything that requires effort Citation? I've routinely seen statistics suggesting the opposite, that parents are more I involved with their children in the modern time and more likely to play and engage with children.

I think it’s more a matter of both extremes.

I’ve seen stay at home parents who put their kids in daycare so they can spend the day shopping and effectively have someone else raise their kids. Their kids end up largely just being status symbols. I’ve also seen parents that go everywhere with their kids, schedule every moment of their day and won’t even let them stand at the school bus stop by themselves. The parents build their entire lives around their kids and live vicariously through them.

IMO, kids need a proper balance and I don’t think a lot of them are getting that.

Re: US High school students' scores fall in reading and math

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Post by simpaticoder »

titzer wrote: post #133
simpaticoder wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Things like no bullying, inclusiveness, fire safety, bring your own water bottle, how to pray When great controversy surrounds the curriculum, the safest thing to teach is nothing at all.

A lot of controversy is fabricated willfully by ideologues who believe absolutely batshit insane things.

True enough, but that has always been true. Something has changed on the institutional side such that it is no longer willing and/or able to simply reject batshit insanity and continue teaching children such that they are as well informed or better informed and capable as the last generation. What results is a positive feedback loop where a poorly educated public puts increasing pressure on an institution who's members are themselves poorly educated. The result is paralysis, and eventually, societal death.

Re: US High school students' scores fall in reading and math

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Post by fullshark »

jimt1234 wrote: post #108
Nicook wrote: post #53

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It does. I went down a rabbit hole for this once and yes children of immigrants underperform for math and reading testing v immigrant groups. Can go dig up the .gov links assuming they didnt go away

Every immigrant I've known that's around my age has told me basically the same story. When they came to the US as a child, and got put into public school, they struggled with reading (they could barely speak English, much less read it), but they excelled at math. I've heard this from people born in China, Taiwan, Mexico, Iraq, Iran, Japan, etc.

Is every immigrant you've known about your age someone you met through work / school and do you work in tech / on a STEM degree? If so then your sample is obviously biased.
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