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Mistral raises 1.7B€, partners with ASML

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Re: Mistral raises 1.7B€, partners with ASML

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Post by pegasus »

0x008 wrote: post #98
ojosilva wrote: post #24

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Except that the risks of running open models from dubious, misaligned foreign sources (China primarily) make it nearly impossible for the enterprise to plug it into their infrastructures today. It's so easy to plug/poison a backdoor into these models, it's not even funny! OTOH, Mistral may be confronted with the fact that enterprises are slow adopting tech, slower in conservative UE, and that for the time being, the…

Do you have any examples of such backdoors or research papers which explain how that would work?

I've encountered papers demonstrating such attacks in the past. GPT-5 dug up a slew of references: https://chatgpt.com/share/68c0037f-f2c8-8013-bf21-feeabcdba5...

Re: Mistral raises 1.7B€, partners with ASML

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Post by diggan »

rvz wrote: post #155
decide1000 wrote: post #25

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They’ve built performance, enterprise utility, privacy, sovereignty, open innovation and strategic partnerships into their core story. It's quite a list. The models are opensource, Voxtral outperforms Whisper in terms of accuracy. There is no AI company like Mistral.

> There is no AI company like Mistral. The US equivalent of Mistral is Nous Research [0]. Also there would be no Mistral without Llama and it seems like everyone forgot that their LLMs derived from Meta. For every 'Mistral' in the EU, there's 3 or 5 of them in the US. [0] https://nousresearch.com

And everyone forgets that electricity was invented (mostly) by Europeans, but so what? Everything comes from something, doesn't make any place inherently better for continuing to inventing more breakthroughs, it's just people in a place after all.

Re: Mistral raises 1.7B€, partners with ASML

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Post by croes »

kaliqt wrote: post #85
portaouflop wrote: post #74

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OpenAI has no serious open source software and are Chinese models really a serious alternative for western companies?

Yes. It's not like the model can spy on you, so if the model performs well on premise then it will be suitable irrespective of the origin.

What about bias? And can create modell that hallucinates on purpose in certain scenarios?

Re: Mistral raises 1.7B€, partners with ASML

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Post by pegasus »

rgreekguy wrote: post #76
anonymousDan wrote: post #73

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That's a massive USP.

Indeed, if they weren't using non-European infrastructure.

It's non-ideal, true, but still very valuable. Given the possible potential of GenAI, having a locally-developed model is of strategic importance, no question about it. There are efforts for building independent cloud infrastructure as well, and anyway these two efforts are mostly orthogonal.

Re: Mistral raises 1.7B€, partners with ASML

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Post by Neku42 »

rvz wrote: post #155
decide1000 wrote: post #25

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They’ve built performance, enterprise utility, privacy, sovereignty, open innovation and strategic partnerships into their core story. It's quite a list. The models are opensource, Voxtral outperforms Whisper in terms of accuracy. There is no AI company like Mistral.

> There is no AI company like Mistral. The US equivalent of Mistral is Nous Research [0]. Also there would be no Mistral without Llama and it seems like everyone forgot that their LLMs derived from Meta. For every 'Mistral' in the EU, there's 3 or 5 of them in the US. [0] https://nousresearch.com

Nous Research is NOT equivalent of Mistral. They are not even in the same league. Nous Research is basically LARPing an AI lab compared to Mistral

Re: Mistral raises 1.7B€, partners with ASML

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Post by Ringz »

helqn wrote: post #53
XorNot wrote: post #33

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I'm pretty sure Europe doesn't want to cede AI development entirely to China.

Europe has ceded development of all tech to China and the US, I don’t see why AI should be any different.

When you talk about China, you may have confused development with production.

Re: Mistral raises 1.7B€, partners with ASML

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Post by midasz »

robertlagrant wrote: post #52
amelius wrote: post #41

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The most strategic move ASML can make is change its licensing structure such that Apple will have to pay 30% of their revenue for using their Fab platform.

I wonder what it would cost Apple to recreate ASML.

There's no way to catch up really - if they keep innovating like they are it's not possible to bridge that gap.

Re: Mistral raises 1.7B€, partners with ASML

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Post by pegasus »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #66
armarr wrote: post #8

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Do they really need to be anything more than the best European option to be successful? Especially with how

>Do they really need to be anything more than the best European option to be successful? With government agencies and some large enterprise? NO, it doesn't need anything more than being European, though I fully expect each EU government will then want its own in-house AI in order to launder some taxpayer money to the right consultancies with ties to political parties. With consumers on the open free market? YES it ne…

Strange to assume an open free market and no tariffs in today's political climate.
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