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Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by Bender »

77pt77 wrote: post #16
bapak wrote: post #14

Looking at the long list of faces for my country, it boggles my mind how all these people are fine letting the police just scan their phone, photos, messages at will, as if they don't have significant others or medical pictures on their phones, including of their children. Do they think they're above it? Are they stupid and don't know what they vote for? I do not understand.

I do. Are you going to the the "pedo" that is against protecting the children and catching predators? I know it's diseingenuous but these laws are crafted with that in mind. People that might take a real chance in challenging this are weeded out long before they get to these positions.

I expect moms sharing bathtime pictures and videos with each other to get caught up in this as the censors get aroused by the content and project their own feelings of arousal and cognitive dissonance onto the parents sending bobbies and armed police to kick down doors. The legal costs and permenant damage to reputation will undoubtedly destroy many people.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by gmueckl »

moffkalast wrote: post #19
Humorist2290 wrote: post #10

> Chat Control would make it mandatory for all service providers (text messaging, email, social media, cloud storage, hosting services, etc.) to scan all communications and all files (including end-to-end encrypted ones), in order to supposedly detect whatever the government deems "abusive material." I wonder why there has been such silence on this, with the exception of a handful of well written blog posts. The scop…

We've been mostly deplatformed for any kind of organized action against it, there's just writing an email to your MEP or... a change.org petition. Yes really. Nothing official one could sign their name under. But even so, the commission does whatever it wants anyway, they are complete autocrats when it comes to law proposal, it's up to the parliament and the courts to something about it afterwards. And they should gi…

Any EU citizen also has the right to petition the EU parliament directly.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by pas »

api wrote: post #29
moffkalast wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've been mostly deplatformed for any kind of organized action against it, there's just writing an email to your MEP or... a change.org petition. Yes really. Nothing official one could sign their name under. But even so, the commission does whatever it wants anyway, they are complete autocrats when it comes to law proposal, it's up to the parliament and the courts to something about it afterwards. And they should gi…

Would it be correct to compare the EU's autocratic pronouncements to Presidential executive orders in the US? In the sense that they can pass whatever they want with little feedback but then the courts can tear them apart?

It's ridiculously different, there's no single person or country that can do anything like that

there are multiple ways to make EU law, there are regulations (that apply directly) and directives that member states need to implement (basically ratify)

the Commission proposed something and then the Council votes on it and then there's the EP which votes on it

this one is a regulation proposal

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_to_Prevent_and_Co...

the treaties have some areas that are under "Special legislative procedures" where the EP cannot propose amendments, but still has consent power, but in some cases like internal market exemptions and competition law only consultation right

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/council-eu/decision-makin...

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by supermatt »

api wrote: post #29
moffkalast wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've been mostly deplatformed for any kind of organized action against it, there's just writing an email to your MEP or... a change.org petition. Yes really. Nothing official one could sign their name under. But even so, the commission does whatever it wants anyway, they are complete autocrats when it comes to law proposal, it's up to the parliament and the courts to something about it afterwards. And they should gi…

Would it be correct to compare the EU's autocratic pronouncements to Presidential executive orders in the US? In the sense that they can pass whatever they want with little feedback but then the courts can tear them apart?

> they can pass whatever they want

The EC can’t pass anything.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by jasonlotito »

77pt77 wrote: post #16
bapak wrote: post #14

Looking at the long list of faces for my country, it boggles my mind how all these people are fine letting the police just scan their phone, photos, messages at will, as if they don't have significant others or medical pictures on their phones, including of their children. Do they think they're above it? Are they stupid and don't know what they vote for? I do not understand.

I do. Are you going to the the "pedo" that is against protecting the children and catching predators? I know it's diseingenuous but these laws are crafted with that in mind. People that might take a real chance in challenging this are weeded out long before they get to these positions.

> Are you going to the the "pedo" that is against protecting the children and catching predators? [sic]

This is already happening. This is not about that.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by BoredPositron »

Humorist2290 wrote: post #10

> Chat Control would make it mandatory for all service providers (text messaging, email, social media, cloud storage, hosting services, etc.) to scan all communications and all files (including end-to-end encrypted ones), in order to supposedly detect whatever the government deems "abusive material." I wonder why there has been such silence on this, with the exception of a handful of well written blog posts. The scop…

Fatigue? We are fighting this with different names since 2002. I guess normal people just can't hear about it anymore and that's probably on purpose.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by Marsymars »

coldblues wrote: post #21

Even without Chat Control, I still self-censor even in private communications. The majority of people you chat with show complete disregard for your privacy. They piss on it. There are very basic requirements that a minuscule amount of people follow, like: full-disk encryption, using a password manager, being aware of your rights to protect yourself against searches, having good computer hygiene and competency. The l…

"People showing disregard for your privacy" is a matter of scale when going from analog to digital, it's at least not inconsistent.

e.g. If you engage in private spoken conversation, most people are not going to treat your conversation as if it's privileged, avoiding any mention of it in casual conversation, and refusing to divulge any details to law enforcement.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by kylemaxwell »

This is a terrible article about what sounds like a legitimate problem. Even in the section, "What is Chat Control?", the answer to the question is buried in the middle of the seventh paragraph.

If the writer of this post wants people to oppose it, they really should do a better job of explaining at the very top what "it" is.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by 0x008 »

This is one of many laws the EU and member states are pushing in order to implement more online surveillance. I always wonder why individuals (representatives) would push for these kind of surveillance laws? I think politicians usually pass laws which help themselves or their lobbies gain power and influence on economical levels, but I wonder why anyone would push for these kind of legislation even before an authoritarian state is on place. What is there to gain on an individual level?

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by 01HNNWZ0MV43FF »

BoredPositron wrote: post #36
Humorist2290 wrote: post #10

> Chat Control would make it mandatory for all service providers (text messaging, email, social media, cloud storage, hosting services, etc.) to scan all communications and all files (including end-to-end encrypted ones), in order to supposedly detect whatever the government deems "abusive material." I wonder why there has been such silence on this, with the exception of a handful of well written blog posts. The scop…

Fatigue? We are fighting this with different names since 2002. I guess normal people just can't hear about it anymore and that's probably on purpose.

It's hard to reach normal people, too. At least here in America the right wing has consolidated a lot of propaganda power into cable news like Fox
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