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No more data centers: Ohio township pushes back against influx of Amazon, others

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Re: No more data centers: Ohio township pushes back against influx of Amazon, others

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Wow that video of the house next to the mine in Arkansas is nuts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHrkZtuVPdU&embeds_referring... I would legitimately have driven my car through that building if I lived here.

How is that legal in US? I am pretty sure that is not legal is many part of the world even if the sound was only on from 9 to 5. And last time I went to a Datacentre it may be an eye sore but it doesn't produce any noise at all. Do all DC in US produce noise like that?

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Re: No more data centers: Ohio township pushes back against influx of Amazon, others

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post #6

Wow that video of the house next to the mine in Arkansas is nuts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHrkZtuVPdU&embeds_referring... I would legitimately have driven my car through that building if I lived here.

How is that legal in US? I am pretty sure that is not legal is many part of the world even if the sound was only on from 9 to 5. And last time I went to a Datacentre it may be an eye sore but it doesn't produce any noise at all. Do all DC in US produce noise like that?

> How is that legal in US? I am pretty sure that is not legal is many part of the world even if the sound was only on from 9 to 5.

It's probably not legal, although this is an area of law that is generally delegated to the most local levels of governments, so the details will vary based on where exactly you're located. There's going to be a catch-all public nuisance ordinance this would fall under, although there may also be a specific noise ordinance that this is violating.

Re: No more data centers: Ohio township pushes back against influx of Amazon, others

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>The Amazon centers are property tax-abated for 10 years, providing instead 1.5% income tax on workers via a joint economic development agreement with Marysville. After construction, a small fraction of workers remain to be taxed, she said. Lol, gotta love the scam. Small town politicians must get some amazing bribes. >While under construction about a year ago, a worker at the Warren Road Amazon facility was crushed…

>You immediately arrest have any employee interfering with emergency response and throw them in jail. Imagine that you work for a 3 letter US agency and is storing confidential data on AWS. Would you allow random individuals (yes even for emergency personnel) to have unfetter access to your computation and storage systems? What about health data? What about data belonging to other countries? Do you do a sweep for una…

If that’s what they are storing, they can do what many other government agencies are doing and staff their own first responders.

Re: No more data centers: Ohio township pushes back against influx of Amazon, others

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>The Amazon centers are property tax-abated for 10 years, providing instead 1.5% income tax on workers via a joint economic development agreement with Marysville. After construction, a small fraction of workers remain to be taxed, she said. Lol, gotta love the scam. Small town politicians must get some amazing bribes. >While under construction about a year ago, a worker at the Warren Road Amazon facility was crushed…

>You immediately arrest have any employee interfering with emergency response and throw them in jail. Imagine that you work for a 3 letter US agency and is storing confidential data on AWS. Would you allow random individuals (yes even for emergency personnel) to have unfetter access to your computation and storage systems? What about health data? What about data belonging to other countries? Do you do a sweep for una…

Well the thing with emergency services needing emergency access right now is that Amazon would have needed to think about that at an earlier stage.

Re: No more data centers: Ohio township pushes back against influx of Amazon, others

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post #4

>The Amazon centers are property tax-abated for 10 years, providing instead 1.5% income tax on workers via a joint economic development agreement with Marysville. After construction, a small fraction of workers remain to be taxed, she said. Lol, gotta love the scam. Small town politicians must get some amazing bribes. >While under construction about a year ago, a worker at the Warren Road Amazon facility was crushed…

>You immediately arrest have any employee interfering with emergency response and throw them in jail. Imagine that you work for a 3 letter US agency and is storing confidential data on AWS. Would you allow random individuals (yes even for emergency personnel) to have unfetter access to your computation and storage systems? What about health data? What about data belonging to other countries? Do you do a sweep for una…

So you let them in with an eyes on, constant escort.

Re: No more data centers: Ohio township pushes back against influx of Amazon, others

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I'm familiar with site in question and not surprised. The location of the first campus built in Hilliard is extremely problematic, but more due to traffic patterns than anything else. The entrance is along a road that gets busy and trucks going into and out of the campus have been known to cause backups while they wait to get access through the security gates. They alienated a lot of the local residents from that alone.

As for the safety record, I think it's fair to say that the issues are largely due to AWS leadership in the central Ohio region not taking safety seriously and internal politics where leaders tend to be more concerned with their own self-interest, avoiding a PIP, managing perception, and advancing their careers.

There's a lot of talk about prioritizing safety but there's a distinct lack of ownership from the senior leaders. The relationships between Safety, Security and Operations are more adversarial than collaborative but it's easy to simply ignore the problem and/or push the blame to others while nothing gets solved. I have plenty of anecdotes I could share but it would just be airing dirty laundry and ultimately not productive.

Re: No more data centers: Ohio township pushes back against influx of Amazon, others

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post #6

Wow that video of the house next to the mine in Arkansas is nuts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHrkZtuVPdU&embeds_referring... I would legitimately have driven my car through that building if I lived here.

How is that legal in US? I am pretty sure that is not legal is many part of the world even if the sound was only on from 9 to 5. And last time I went to a Datacentre it may be an eye sore but it doesn't produce any noise at all. Do all DC in US produce noise like that?

It's Arkansas which follows the golden rule, those who have the gold set the rules.

Re: No more data centers: Ohio township pushes back against influx of Amazon, others

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post #4

>The Amazon centers are property tax-abated for 10 years, providing instead 1.5% income tax on workers via a joint economic development agreement with Marysville. After construction, a small fraction of workers remain to be taxed, she said. Lol, gotta love the scam. Small town politicians must get some amazing bribes. >While under construction about a year ago, a worker at the Warren Road Amazon facility was crushed…

>You immediately arrest have any employee interfering with emergency response and throw them in jail. Imagine that you work for a 3 letter US agency and is storing confidential data on AWS. Would you allow random individuals (yes even for emergency personnel) to have unfetter access to your computation and storage systems? What about health data? What about data belonging to other countries? Do you do a sweep for una…

Then they need to have staff on site that is fully qualified to handle any type of emergency any time there is anyone at all in the facility, which they don't.

Re: No more data centers: Ohio township pushes back against influx of Amazon, others

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Wow that video of the house next to the mine in Arkansas is nuts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHrkZtuVPdU&embeds_referring... I would legitimately have driven my car through that building if I lived here.

That sounds like hundreds of 40mm or 80mm fans running at 5000rpm. You can get a lot more airflow with less wasted power by using larger slower fans... and they won't wear out as fast.

That is pretty typical of these miners, typically 1U type designs.

Heres a newer model from Bitmain https://bitmain.digital/antminers/antminer-s19pro/index.html

Re: No more data centers: Ohio township pushes back against influx of Amazon, others

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is that legal in US? I am pretty sure that is not legal is many part of the world even if the sound was only on from 9 to 5. And last time I went to a Datacentre it may be an eye sore but it doesn't produce any noise at all. Do all DC in US produce noise like that?

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Unfortunately, you make a point based on the supreme court.

SCOTUS decided that corporations are people, which refers to the legal concept of corporate personhood. The question is: can a "person" legally disturb their neighbor with this amount of noise and get away with it? Wrongly, I think SCOTUS would decide in favor of the corporation if it gets that far.

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