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Tokyo has an unmanned, honor-system electronics and appliance shop

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Japan is obviously a "high trust" society, so I feel like this experiment will work. I wish we had a way to make this sort of system work in a low trust society.

High trust environments tend to crumble in society when you allow too much immigration. Japan’s xenophobia has worked well in this regard.

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We do have a way - "high trust" enclaves inside the low trust society. The modern examples in the USA are things like colleges, community centers, etc. You gatekeeper the area and then everything inside is high-trust and you can get away with things like this. You can also find it in rural areas and some very expensive islands, too.

While driving through upstate New York on a camping trip I found a maple syrup shop run on the honor system. Leave the money in an unlocked box. It was shocking. I bought a gallon.

I had the same experience in upstate NY. So many little boutique country stores with craft and art tables outside that just had venmo signs next to the crafts. My wife bought a few items and we were pleasantly surprised to see how many public purchases were made to that venmo account. And it wasn't super cheap junk/stuff either.

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I wonder if this is actual high trust or that there are security cameras everywhere.

If you've been to the rural USA you'd know it's just high-trust (and the middle of nowhere). They're pretty common for low-value things like corn and farm produce; but I've seen syrup and honey, too. There might be a camera but since there's usually no power, it'd have to be some sort of trail/game/deer cam. What would you do with the result besides some vigilante frontier justice? No cop anywhere but daytime childre…

We once went to Florida and saw some open orange farms. We wanted to buy some, but there was nobody in sight - we got very confused until we saw a box which said "$X a bag"; there was a sack of bags nearby. My mind was blown.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if this is actual high trust or that there are security cameras everywhere.

If you've been to the rural USA you'd know it's just high-trust (and the middle of nowhere). They're pretty common for low-value things like corn and farm produce; but I've seen syrup and honey, too. There might be a camera but since there's usually no power, it'd have to be some sort of trail/game/deer cam. What would you do with the result besides some vigilante frontier justice? No cop anywhere but daytime childre…

That's a matter of scale. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Canadian_Maple_Syrup_H...

Re: Tokyo has an unmanned, honor-system electronics and appliance shop

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Japan is obviously a "high trust" society, so I feel like this experiment will work. I wish we had a way to make this sort of system work in a low trust society.

High trust environments tend to crumble in society when you allow too much immigration. Japan’s xenophobia has worked well in this regard.

And a 99.8% conviction rate.

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Japan is obviously a "high trust" society, so I feel like this experiment will work. I wish we had a way to make this sort of system work in a low trust society.

> I wish we had a way to make this sort of system work in a low trust society.

I’d rather we had a way to change low trust societies into high trust.

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Japan is obviously a "high trust" society, so I feel like this experiment will work. I wish we had a way to make this sort of system work in a low trust society.

I used to buy firewood at National Forest camping sites in the US; there was a box where you dropped the money and then you grabbed a wood bundle.

Granted, this was almost 40 years ago, but this type of thing can work, even in less civilized places like the US.

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Even shops with security guards dont work in the UK at the moment. It's a shame this could never be a thing here.

It's tempting to see security guards as a basic response to criminal behaviour. But I wonder if the causality is more complex than that. I can easily imagine growing up under different circumstances to view society as a case of "me" vs "them", and I'd be more inclined to lift from shops run by people who clearly see me as enough of a low-life that they'd pay some thugs to man-handle me out.

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Japan is obviously a "high trust" society, so I feel like this experiment will work. I wish we had a way to make this sort of system work in a low trust society.

I used to buy firewood at National Forest camping sites in the US; there was a box where you dropped the money and then you grabbed a wood bundle. Granted, this was almost 40 years ago, but this type of thing can work, even in less civilized places like the US.

They leave out more wood than a camper would even think to take because they only need one bundle every day or two. The sort of person who would need to steal a whole season's worth of wood is less likely to have the means to transport it all, and if they're so desperate that they'd go to the trouble then the Christian thing to do would be to let them have it.

Gillette razors on the other hand, are expensive to stock for their size, and easy to steal because of their size.

Re: Tokyo has an unmanned, honor-system electronics and appliance shop

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Japan is obviously a "high trust" society, so I feel like this experiment will work. I wish we had a way to make this sort of system work in a low trust society.

You can turn it into a high trust society. The mechanisms and procedures to achieve that are fairly well known.
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