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GPT-5 Thinking in ChatGPT (a.k.a. Research Goblin) is good at search

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Yeah. I don't understand why the "Official name for the University of Cambridge" example is worth mentioning in the article.

It's an interesting and fun example?

I don't know, I didn't find anything interesting about that example. I would think anyone who has used ChatGPT since Nov 2022 at least once would have expected it to work like that.

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These answers take a shockingly long time to resolve considering you can put the questions into Brave search and get basically the same answers in seconds.

The thing is, with Chat+Search you don't have to click various links, sift through content farms, or be subject to ads and/or accidental malware download.

In practice this means that you get the same content farm answer dressed up as a trustworthy answer without even getting the opportunity to exercise better judgement. God help you if you rely on them for questions about branded products, they happily rephrase the company's marketing materials as facts.

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Yes, "GPT-5 with thinking" is great at search, but it's horrible that it shows "Network connection lost. Attempting to reconnect..." after you switch away from the app for even just a few seconds before coming back.

It's going to take a minute, so why do I need to keep looking at it and can't go read some more Wikipedia in the mean time?

This is insanely user hostile. Is it just me who encounters this? I'm on Plus plan on Android. Maybe you don't get this with Pro?

Here's a screenshot of what I mean: https://imgur.com/a/9LZ1jTI

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From GPT-5-Pro with Deep Research selected: > FWIW Deep Research doesn’t run on whatever you pick in the model selector. It’s a separate agent that uses dedicated o‑series research models: full mode runs on o3; after you hit the full‑mode cap it auto‑switches to a lightweight o4‑mini version. The picker governs normal chat (and the pre‑research clarifying Qs), not the research engine itself.

He's not talking about Deep Research

Re: GPT-5 Thinking in ChatGPT (a.k.a. Research Goblin) is good at search

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The thing is, with Chat+Search you don't have to click various links, sift through content farms, or be subject to ads and/or accidental malware download.

In practice this means that you get the same content farm answer dressed up as a trustworthy answer without even getting the opportunity to exercise better judgement. God help you if you rely on them for questions about branded products, they happily rephrase the company's marketing materials as facts.

A counter example to this is that I asked it about NovaMin® 5 minutes ago and it essentially told me to not bother and buy whatever toothpaste has >1450 ppm fluoride.

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Yes, "GPT-5 with thinking" is great at search, but it's horrible that it shows "Network connection lost. Attempting to reconnect..." after you switch away from the app for even just a few seconds before coming back. It's going to take a minute, so why do I need to keep looking at it and can't go read some more Wikipedia in the mean time? This is insanely user hostile. Is it just me who encounters this? I'm on Plus pl…

Yeah it should be able to perform these entirely as a process on their end and the app should just check in on progress.

One of the complications of your average query taking at least some number of seconds to complete - that is, long enough for the user to do something else while waiting.

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Pretty wild! I wonder how much high school teachers and college professors are struggling with the inevitable usage though? "Do deep internet research and thinking to present as much evidence in favor of the idea that JRR Tolkein's Lord of the Rings trilogy was inspired by Mervyn Peake's Gormenghast series." https://chatgpt.com/share/68bcd796-bf8c-800c-ad7a-51387b1e53...

Did you check the facts? Did you click through all the links and see what the sources are?

A while ago I bragged at a conference about how ChatGPT had "solved" something... Yeah, we know, it's from Wikipedia and it's wrong :)

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I asked why it's popping up over and over again in new today. I wouldn't have commented otherwise.

Reposts are allowed through after 8 hours if a story hasn't had significant attention yet. After that, we treat reposts as dupes for a year or so. This is in the FAQ: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html . This is on purpose, because we want good stories to get multiple chances at getting noticed. Otherwise there's too much randomness in what gets traction. Plenty of past explanations here: https://hn.algolia.co…

look at the timelines again... https://hn.algolia.com/?q=research+goblin

The 8 hours seem not to count if you submit under a different domain or do they reset after each try?

Would also be great if you would answer emails especially if they are related to GDPR. You have two of them in your inbox from over 6 months ago send from the email in my account.

Re: GPT-5 Thinking in ChatGPT (a.k.a. Research Goblin) is good at search

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I've also found it to be good at digging deep on things I'm curious about, but don't care enough to spend a lot of time on. As an example, I wanted to know how much sugar by weight is in a coffee syrup so I could make my own dupe. My searches were drowned out by marketing material, but ChatGPT found a datasheet with the info I wanted. I would've eventually found it too, but that's too much effort for an unimportant task.

However, the non-thinking search is total garbage. It searches once, and then gives up or hallucinates if the results don't work out. I asked it the same question, and it says that the information isn't publicly available.

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