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Re: 996

#31
post #10

not only are you missing out on what makes life great and worth living w/ this arrangement, but from a strictly utilitarian standpoint, working that many hours your productivity plummets (unless you're on stimulants), and it's just straight up more effective to work fewer hours...

When 996 makes being able to afford a house easier, many people will be compelled to do it.

It makes affording a casket easier.

Re: 996

#32
I've found I just loan time from tomorrow's morning if I stay up late working on something. If you're in a good flow, it could be worth it. Other than that, you're likely to be underwater on the loan.

Re: 996

#33
post #11

I don't understand this expectation that employees work more, and stigma if you go home on time, yet we don't have a corresponding stigma for when the amount of money that reaches my account is "only" what we agreed my salary would be.

Companies that try to demand extreme hours with average pay have very high turnover.

As employees realize they’re getting a bad deal and that they can find a better ratio of pay to hours worked at other companies, they leave.

Re: 996

#35
I think the problem is larger, which is that individual workers don't feel empowered to launch a firm of their own. If I am often coding at 11 pm, it's certainly not for any employer.

Re: 996

#37
Wanting to work 12 hours a day is the saddest thing I’ve ever heard.

> When someone promotes a 996 work culture, we should push back

And like the author says, it just doesn’t make sense either.

Re: 996

#38
I found out that it was a very limited wavier in Chinese law that permitted a few companies to do 996 (or 9am to 9pm 6 days a week, or 72 hour workweeks).

Now, I'm seeing US companies demand that here. Like, hell no. My body and health isn't worth what you're paying, and the answer 996'ers aren't paying double, or even 1.5x the position.

Saner parts of the world are discussing 37.5h/weeks, and even going to 4 day workweeks.

I mean, hell, if I'm expected to work gross overtime, I expect overtime pay. Guess like I should get into electrician union.

Re: 996

#40
I am skeptical that you can get anywhere near 12 hours of productivity out of an engineer. Even in my 20s, I was mentally fatigued after 8 hours of (mostly) work with a few breaks sprinkled in. Once that fatigue sets in your productivity craters.

I’ve noticed people who promote these extreme work hours seem to spend a lot of time posting on (and I assume reading) social media. Perhaps they feel 12 hours is reasonable when they dedicate 4 hours to brainrot (ahem, or “building a personal brand”)

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