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I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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A hybrid can do that by running the ICE (or not). An EV can do that how exactly, refusing to run? Mugging the elderly for loose kWh?

No need to get sarcastic. My phone and laptop have this feature.

Wow your phone and laptop have a feature which makes the battery never run out? The wonders never cease.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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It might be that the average euro is less aware of continuous draw limitations since there’s so much more power normally (compared to US residential power). Could also be that for historical reasons you could have a house wired for 10 or 13 A and not be aware if it. ‘Course you can manage that by having the chargers limit themselves to 8A default (or even always), at 1800W that’s a very slow trickle but it’s somethin…

Standard circuits are either 8A or 10A. That's a little more power than a US 15A, or the same as a US 20A. There is often 3 phase power to the home in Europe, however. That allows 415V phase to phase and also 3-phase synchronous motors.

> Standard circuits are either 8A or 10A.

Both type E and F plugs are rated for 16, and afaik that’s generally the rating in countries which use them.

I’m sure there are others but Switzerland is the only country I know of in Europe were plugs are limited to 10 and you have to hard-wire 16.

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> is usually ~€16/h Holy HELL that is crazy. I thought £5/hr in London was crazy.

I paid over $50 USD for parking a bit over two hours in Cambridge Massachusetts when visiting MIT. Parking in the Boston area is atrocious.

> I paid over $50 USD for parking a bit over two hours in Cambridge Massachusetts when visiting MIT. Parking in the Boston area is atrocious.

The two are related. The whole point of charging for parking is to leverage scarcity to convince people to not make the problem worse and just find alternatives to driving to the doorstop that work well for them.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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I haven't been able to find concrete stories either, though these[1] statistics might be an indication. It shows there's a few EVs per year that lead to a building fire, though sadly nothing further about source. So could be something else like battery. That said there's been a campaign for several years trying to get rid of sockets for high current or permanent installations. I recently replaced both an electric wat…

I really like the AU tri-prong system for this - high-current plugs/sockets have a physically larger ground connector. This means you can put a low-current plug (small ground pin) into a high-current socket (large ground slot), but not the other way around. Only downside I've found so far is that you can't use a high-current-rated extension cord to plug a low-current appliance into a low-current socket.

We’re not talking about high current anything, we’re talking about standard mains electricity.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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CCS2 is mandatory in europe

I don't drive a RV, I just charge my campers batteries sometimes. I have 3 different connector cables from the common connectors I found in Switzerland, France and Italy only.

Are you talking about shore power? Because that has nothing to do with EV charging.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Could also have bought a used Chevy Bolt in this price range, with CCS, ~250mi range, and CarPlay.

For some reason when I charge at public chargers a very common vehicle next to me are those Chevy Bolts. If you’ve never compared them side by side you will be surprised, the Leaf is a MUCH nicer car, the Bolts just look way cheaper and lower quality vehicles. I also don’t get this CCS drama, I have yet to come across an actual fast charger station that doesn’t have CHAdeMO in addition to the CCS connection. Maybe in…

The Bolt EV has 100 miles more range and IMO a better interior.

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Standard circuits are either 8A or 10A. That's a little more power than a US 15A, or the same as a US 20A. There is often 3 phase power to the home in Europe, however. That allows 415V phase to phase and also 3-phase synchronous motors.

> Standard circuits are either 8A or 10A. Both type E and F plugs are rated for 16, and afaik that’s generally the rating in countries which use them. I’m sure there are others but Switzerland is the only country I know of in Europe were plugs are limited to 10 and you have to hard-wire 16.

My mistake extrapolating from the Swiss :)

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This doesn't make sense. Wall plugs (like circuit breakers) are designed for a particular max amperage draw. If I have a 10A 120V circuit and wall plug, I can't charge my car at 8A? I have wall ovens that connect via a 50A circuit. Do I need to worry about fire hazards when I bake something for hours and hours?

Not an electrician, consult a real one for any actual electrical work or questions. It's complicated. Heat builds up over time. So for example your standard 15 amp breaker on a 14 gauge wire in the US is rated for 15 amps of intermittent use, but if you draw that continuously without letting the heat dissipate it becomes a fire hazard. IIRC circuits are generally rated for ~80% of their max load for continuous use, s…

Having charged 2 EVs on wall sockets for years, I've not seen them go over 12 amps, so that checks out.

One of those was a leaf

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Small, cheap electric cars are the best! Fun to drive, easy to maintain. I own an VW eUP 2015 model which costed me €4000 used. I do not know if they where for sale outside of Norway (I only see them here!), but it is the perfect car for 95% of our mobility needs. I drive it to work every day (where I can charge it for free). I drive it to Oslo and can park/charge almost anywhere around town for really cheap, about €…

I miss my 2019 Chevy Bolt. Zippy and nimble. Didn't feel heavy like the Tesla I rented. Plenty of range for the city.

What Tesla did you rent? The base Model 3's curb weight is 3,552lbs. The first generation Bolt's curb weight is slightly heavier, at 3,563lbs. The long range Model 3 is 3,817lbs and the Performance model is 4,048lbs, but those tend not to be rentals.

And the cheapest Model 3 will have significantly more acceleration than the Bolt. Maybe the rental's acceleration was set to comfort mode. That reduces pedal responsiveness.

I didn't own a Bolt, but I did drive one and found it underwhelming. It had bad software, charged slowly, and then all of them were recalled due to battery fires. I don't seem to be alone in this opinion, as their depreciation has been pretty rough compared to other EVs from the same time period.

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