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Rivian CEO: 'blows my mind' to see US auto makers shifting back to ICE vehicles

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Re: Rivian CEO: 'blows my mind' to see US auto makers shifting back to ICE vehicles

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Post by altairprime »

cherry_tree wrote: post #60
altairprime wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it sounds like a free markets entrepreneurs wet dream Landlords would either have to give up profit to pay for these installations, and/or raise rent on their tenants to afford them. Many tenants can neither inflation increases in rent, nor increases covering the capital expenditure of electrical outlets in rental parking spots. This share of tenants grows each year that inflation outpaces wages, independent of whe…

Landlords increasing rent totally sounds like part of a free market entrepreneurs wet dream to me! If I’m a free market entrepreneur the last thing I want is pesky rent controls limiting my ability to provide supply! Have you ever rented? Did they ever decrease your rent when the economy was looking down or do you acknowledge that they don’t actually care about the income of their tenants insofar as they can extract…

> wet dream

This repeated and explicitly-sexual metaphor in a non-sexual context is rather wearisome.

> You must feel that a free market cares

A free market does not qualify for use the property of 'caring'. Neither emotions nor intentions are a property of a 'market', free or otherwise, and I categorically reject all statements, inferences, and/or implications to the contrary (such as "that a free market cares").

> can you substantiate this claim in any way?

I made a statement in public for all to hear, I am unable to defend the statements I make, and am simply unwilling to have a reasoned discussion. You have been unfailing polite, and I have been nothing but rude.

Re: Rivian CEO: 'blows my mind' to see US auto makers shifting back to ICE vehicles

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Post by cherry_tree »

altairprime wrote: post #61
cherry_tree wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Landlords increasing rent totally sounds like part of a free market entrepreneurs wet dream to me! If I’m a free market entrepreneur the last thing I want is pesky rent controls limiting my ability to provide supply! Have you ever rented? Did they ever decrease your rent when the economy was looking down or do you acknowledge that they don’t actually care about the income of their tenants insofar as they can extract…

> wet dream This repeated and explicitly-sexual metaphor in a non-sexual context is rather wearisome. > You must feel that a free market cares A free market does not qualify for use the property of 'caring'. Neither emotions nor intentions are a property of a 'market', free or otherwise, and I categorically reject all statements, inferences, and/or implications to the contrary (such as "that a free market cares"). >…

> This repeated and explicitly-sexual metaphor in a non-sexual context is rather wearisome.

Thanks for the English lit critique I guess but your opinion on various colloquialisms in the English language is not relevant to the conversation.

Your other points are similarly irrelevant to the convo, you use the idea of a market “caring” literally, claiming that of course a market doesn’t have emotions and can’t care which is plainly trying to deflect your suggestion that the market could never reach position x because it’s ultimately unprofitable for a landlord to engage in some behavior long term and you refused to materially respond to or acknowledge any of my points. Your post is abstracted from reality further than the idea that a market could “care” about something being taken literally. Obviously the market is not a human with wants, cares or needs.

> I made a statement in public for all to hear, I am unable to defend the statements I make

Well I’ve asked for you to defend them and this was your response so I assume you are being genuine instead of sarcastic here? Why respond at all I wonder.

If you can point to where I’m being impolite or offended you I’m happy to acknowledge this; I wasn’t planning to have a conversation with someone so sensitive that things like “I think your idea is bad” is a personal insult or impolite.

Re: Rivian CEO: 'blows my mind' to see US auto makers shifting back to ICE vehicles

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Post by Kirby64 »

Ekaros wrote: post #55
legitster wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This need is a bit overstated. Keep in mind that unlikes a gas car you can charge up your EV at home. How regularly does the median American actually drive 300+ miles in a single day? The average American household has multiple cars - having at least one of them being a EV commuter appliance isn't that wild of an idea.

There is no need to fuel at home. Technically you could get large tank of diesel to do it. But going to stations is not big deal.

Not having to go to a gas station ever is a paradigm shift that I think a lot of ICE owners underestimate. You're never late to something because you need to make a pit stop to get gas. If you always have your car charged at home, time to get places is much more deterministic. You also don't need to worry about CC skimmers, which at least where I live have been a pretty common problem off and on for many years.

Re: Rivian CEO: 'blows my mind' to see US auto makers shifting back to ICE vehicles

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Post by roncron »

And also a simple fact, that current EVs are simply bad products from a UX perspective.

Getting a new car has felt like a step up in quality of life, but not so with EVs. You get an overall worse experience.

A part from already mentioned issues like, charging infrastructure, range and charge times there are everyday things of living with a car.

Removing stocks and buttons for essentials controls like drive select, turn signals, door locks and opening the glove box.

Inability to fix small issues like replacing a light bulb or fixing a lock. Aging software that becomes unsupported by manufacturer a few years in. But is much more essential to car operation, than before.

And low resale value that makes these very expensive to buy vehicles, essentially single use appliances with planned obsoletion embedded.

Living with EVs is tougher than ICE cars. And until that at least equalizes, what regular consumer would want that?

Re: Rivian CEO: 'blows my mind' to see US auto makers shifting back to ICE vehicles

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Post by general1465 »

fileoffset wrote: post #54
general1465 wrote: post #28

Because chargers were enshitificated before they were widely deployed. I want to arrive on charger, connect the charging hose, wave a debit/credit card or my phone with NFC interface and start charging. But noooo, you need to have an account with your debit card linked to it and use their half assed application or you won't be able to activate charger. And you should better pray that charger in your destination is ac…

In AU, they already have public charging networks (Evie, for example) that allow you to pre register your VIN and just roll up, plug in and it starts charging.

Do you need to pre register your VIN on a gasoline pump? Then why would somebody even consider this as a requirement for BEV...

Re: Rivian CEO: 'blows my mind' to see US auto makers shifting back to ICE vehicles

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Post by Ekaros »

general1465 wrote: post #65
fileoffset wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In AU, they already have public charging networks (Evie, for example) that allow you to pre register your VIN and just roll up, plug in and it starts charging.

Do you need to pre register your VIN on a gasoline pump? Then why would somebody even consider this as a requirement for BEV...

Actually I think this sort of feature could sell in regular cars as well. Embed a chip next to filler cap. Then at station just pull out nozzle place it in and in few second automatically start pumping. Then later the charge would go directly to credit card.

Many would love it if it was secure enough.

Re: Rivian CEO: 'blows my mind' to see US auto makers shifting back to ICE vehicles

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Post by cdaringe »

aurareturn wrote: post #33
datadrivenangel wrote: post #27

Many communities in Florida love electric golf carts. If the right vehicles are available at the right price with the right capabilities people buy them.

Tariffs made sure that's not possible.

If Rivian made a golf cart Id buy some clubs. It may be my only viable access to a Rivian!
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