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A high schooler writes about AI tools in the classroom

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What are we going to do to solve this?

One possible starting point is offloading the plural.

What am "I" doing to solve this? For both me and my children.

Taking responsibility for my continuing education, for one. Locate interesting curricula and pursue them.

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I recently found out that my nephew's school had no take-home homework before high school, instead having kids complete assignments during class time. At first, I was flabbergasted that they would deny kids the discipline building of managing unstructured time without direct supervision. Homework- at home- seemed like such a fundamental part of the schooling experience. Now, I'm thinking that was pretty much they onl…

I’ve seen a similar change but didn’t realize this, makes sense. Combined with a complete lack of textbooks, college is going to be quite a surprise!! Oddly, English teachers tell students to use Grammerly and standardized tests use AI for grading student essays. For writing assignments, students are given a “prompt”. Never heard it called such in my schooling…

"Prompt" is what I got, and this was way before LLMs

Re: A high schooler writes about AI tools in the classroom

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post #4

What are we going to do to solve this?

One possible starting point is offloading the plural. What am "I" doing to solve this? For both me and my children. Taking responsibility for my continuing education, for one. Locate interesting curricula and pursue them.

Yeah but "what are we going to do" is still a valid question

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve seen a similar change but didn’t realize this, makes sense. Combined with a complete lack of textbooks, college is going to be quite a surprise!! Oddly, English teachers tell students to use Grammerly and standardized tests use AI for grading student essays. For writing assignments, students are given a “prompt”. Never heard it called such in my schooling…

"Prompt" is what I got, and this was way before LLMs

Same, I'd assumed the LLM "prompt" was borrowed from essay prompts in school.

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Maybe they can allow AI for writing but raise the bar on quality so the blind copy-paste submissions still fail. I've still never read a good AI-generated doc at work, it's always verbose and aimless. At this point I close the doc if I catch a whiff. Unlike the AI code which is fine. It's probably either that or ban it and do everything in-person, which might have to be the stopgap solution.

> Maybe they can allow AI for writing but raise the bar on quality so the blind copy-paste submissions still fail.

These are highschoolers, still learning to write - their output won't be the best. It won't be long at all until AI can write as well as the average (honest, pre-AI) highschooler, if we're not past that point already.

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This take from a Hermione-type High School senior shed next to zero new light on the subject. Yes, we know AI is redefining school and jobs and daily life. The perspective of an obnoxious A+ type student isn't helping, especially because you kind of can read between the lines that she isn't friends with these kids using AI, which would give her a deeper perspective of why and how they are using AI.

Is this what The Atlantic has come down to, publishing a complain-y piece by the class president?

EDIT: For anyone struggling with my criticism of the article, I very much agree that there is a problem of AI in education. Her suggestion which is "maybe more oral exams and less essays?" I'm sure has never been considered by teachers around the world rolls eyes.

As for how to tackle this, I think the only solution is accept the fact that AI is going nowhere and integrate it into the class. Show kids in the class how to use AI properly, compare what different AI models say, and compare what they say to what scholars and authors have written, to what kids in the past have written in their essays.

You don't have to fight AI to instill critical thinking in kids. You can embrace it to teach them its limitations.

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"The technology is producing a generation of eternal novices, unable to think or perform for themselves." A quite possible future: you're surrounded by dead-eyed humans with AI implants who mindlessly repeat whatever the chatbot tells them.

More specifically, whatever their tech giant of choice (and their advertisers) tell the chatbot to tell them.

Re: A high schooler writes about AI tools in the classroom

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This take from a Hermione-type High School senior shed next to zero new light on the subject. Yes, we know AI is redefining school and jobs and daily life. The perspective of an obnoxious A+ type student isn't helping, especially because you kind of can read between the lines that she isn't friends with these kids using AI, which would give her a deeper perspective of why and how they are using AI. Is this what The A…

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