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Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by hedora »

sweeter wrote: post #51
tracker1 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Works for me. I tend to think of "Code of Conduct" documents as adjacent to HR takeovers by far leftists more often than not. I prefer a standard "don't be an asshole*" stance and letting the leaders/community handle itself. * Asshole behavior decisions at the sole discretion of administrators and moderators.

The "Far Left" HR software devs: "don't call community members slurs" >:(

The only people I’ve worked with that insisted on code of conduct files also were the only ones that routinely harassed colleagues until they quit.

(The victims of harassment were not violating the code of conduct. This had nothing to do with left-or-right, race or gender. Instead the aggressors used their faux-inclusiveness as a shield against escalations of hostile work environment complaints to upper management. They targeted people that were more technically competent than they were.)

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by wredcoll »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #82
bslaq wrote: post #61

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Paying for RAM and having it sit around doing nothing is stupid.

That choice is for me, the user, to make. App developers don't get to make it for me. If apps are smaller, then I can use that memory to run more apps, cache things, etc.

So choose not to use the app, dear god this conversation is awful.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by [deleted] »

slg wrote: post #43
toomuchtodo wrote: post #36

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Musicians are not the consumers, users are the consumers. Some musicians will always be unhappy, this is unavoidable due to complex issues around IP rights, compensation for art, and the length of time it takes to make changes to these systems (not to mention simply how much existing content is out there new and current artists are competing against, attention economy and all that). n=1, I am optimizing for access to…

Musicians are not the consumers, but it's their work being consumed and this software would have no purpose without them. And to be clear, my problem isn't that this software upset some musicians. It's that the developers highlighting that fact as part of their marketing suggests they take pride in angering musicians. That is a level of disrespect that goes way beyond the sort of passive consumer level disrespect of…

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Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by lelandbatey »

hedora wrote: post #104
throwaway58576 wrote: post #37

> When pressed for reasons what exactly is so bad about Electron, they can rarely offer anything than vaguely mumbled "memory usage" or "b-but it's an entire browser" (both of which have not been true for years, for example Electron's memory usage has improved dramatically, but the meme stuck) I downloaded Nuclear (the AppImage, if that matters) and booted it up. Instant 300MB RAM usage. I think I'll pass.

FWIW: That’s way less than gnome calculator used the last time I installed Ubuntu. At least this thing is not using snap or flatpack or whatever.

Having just launched gnome-calculator on my Ubuntu install, the resident memory size is 63768 bytes, or 63.77 kB. So I don't quite think that's an accurate depiction

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by aspenmayer »

tracker1 wrote: post #41
anjel wrote: post #40

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There are more than a few alt youtube client alternatives on f-droid.

... for desktop use ...

https://freetubeapp.io/

https://github.com/FreeTubeApp/FreeTube

Not 100% sure it supports login, but it does support this, which is like 90% of the way there:

> Import Subscriptions

> Import your subscriptions from YouTube to see your feed instantly

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by charcircuit »

lelandbatey wrote: post #105
charcircuit wrote: post #100

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This bypasses the ads of YouTube Music which means that artists are not being compensated for their work.

That is a detail which is the responsibility of the artist as a businessperson. If you give away pizza with a big stack of ad flyers, no one would complain when that business doesn't make that much money because no one reads the ad flyers all they do is eat the pizza and toss the ads. We live in a world where said pizza shops want to force you to look at each flyer in the ad stack, but for years they didn't sit you d…

>Eat and weep for a world where we can't just exchange money for food.

Youtube sells subscriptions for YouTube Music if you want to be able to listen to the music in the background or without ads. Violating YouTube's terms of service is unethical.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by gwbas1c »

What I really want is an open-source desktop (and possibly mobile) streaming music player that supports most major services.

(I don't care if it only works if I have a paying subscription. I don't mind spending $10-20 a month for something that I use multiple hours a day, every day.)

The amount of bugs I've hit with Tidal and Youtube music just make me want to separate out the client from who I send my money to.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by reaperducer »

voidfunc wrote: post #69
slg wrote: post #60

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>The parent comment is putting it as nicely as it can be put. If you don't want people to pirate your music, your only path of recourse as a musician is to stop uploading digital copies of your work. There is no honor system in music or data and there never will be. I'm just tired of this technolibertarian mindset of "it's not wrong because no one is stopping me from doing it". There is no "honor system" in life eith…

Unfortunately the winds are not blowing in your preferred direction. We are being shown time and time again and in increasing frequency that being an asshole is the best way to succeed.

being an asshole is the best way to succeed.

Being an asshole is the opposite of success.

Unless you think life is a video game and the score is tallied in dollar signs. In which case, you've already lost.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by dotnet00 »

bslaq wrote: post #62
j1elo wrote: post #53

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What's really a meme is: " I got 32 GB of RAM, who cares? " I see a parallel with networked services being developed and tested under "works for me" lab conditions without latency, jitter, or reduced bandwidth. "It works fine on my 10 Gbps network, who cares about 2 extra MB of Javascript?" For one, because the very moment you have that line of thought, you're probably already an outlier.

You would be hard-pressed today to find computers with less than 8 GB of RAM. 300 MB is 3.66% of 8 GB of RAM. Which, again, is absolutely nothing. Okay, let's assume you have a computer with 4 GB of RAM. Still 7.32%. That is low.

This attitude is dumb, people don't just have one thing open on their machine at a time.

If you're designing software like a music player (that is, something people are likely to want to keep running in the background while doing other things), you're just giving people a reason to switch to something else by taking up a bunch of memory carelessly, as it'll be one of the first things to go when the user needs the memory.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by sorenjan »

bslaq wrote: post #39
throwaway58576 wrote: post #37

> When pressed for reasons what exactly is so bad about Electron, they can rarely offer anything than vaguely mumbled "memory usage" or "b-but it's an entire browser" (both of which have not been true for years, for example Electron's memory usage has improved dramatically, but the meme stuck) I downloaded Nuclear (the AppImage, if that matters) and booted it up. Instant 300MB RAM usage. I think I'll pass.

300 MB is 1.25% of my RAM. An application using 1.25% of my RAM seems reasonable.

It's more than all the RAM I had in my Windows 98 computer that ran Windows and Winamp, which was fully capable of playing music and Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun at the same time.
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