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Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by sweeter »

tracker1 wrote: post #27
01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote: post #5

No Code of Conduct but AGPL and anti-telemetry and anti-CLA is an interesting quadrant on the software political compass

Works for me. I tend to think of "Code of Conduct" documents as adjacent to HR takeovers by far leftists more often than not. I prefer a standard "don't be an asshole*" stance and letting the leaders/community handle itself. * Asshole behavior decisions at the sole discretion of administrators and moderators.

The "Far Left" HR software devs: "don't call community members slurs"

>:(

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by [deleted] »

elliotec wrote: post #50
toomuchtodo wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musicians are not the consumers, users are the consumers. Some musicians will always be unhappy, this is unavoidable due to complex issues around IP rights, compensation for art, and the length of time it takes to make changes to these systems (not to mention simply how much existing content is out there new and current artists are competing against, attention economy and all that). n=1, I am optimizing for access to…

This is a really shitty take. „Can’t please everyone, might as well piss off the creators and show it as a badge of pride!“ Personally I will never use this software and would actively advocate against it if only to counter the attitude you’re presenting. But mainly because artists should be able to make a living and it’s already hard enough with the meager pennies or less they get from current PAID streaming service…

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Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by j1elo »

throwaway58576 wrote: post #37

> When pressed for reasons what exactly is so bad about Electron, they can rarely offer anything than vaguely mumbled "memory usage" or "b-but it's an entire browser" (both of which have not been true for years, for example Electron's memory usage has improved dramatically, but the meme stuck) I downloaded Nuclear (the AppImage, if that matters) and booted it up. Instant 300MB RAM usage. I think I'll pass.

What's really a meme is:

"I got 32 GB of RAM, who cares?"

I see a parallel with networked services being developed and tested under "works for me" lab conditions without latency, jitter, or reduced bandwidth.

"It works fine on my 10 Gbps network, who cares about 2 extra MB of Javascript?"

For one, because the very moment you have that line of thought, you're probably already an outlier.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by derefr »

So this is essentially a Popcorn Time-type-thing, but aping Soundcloud rather than Netflix. Cool, I guess?

But also too bad! Because when I first read the headline (and the Github description: "Streaming music player that finds free music for you"), I had imagined this to be something entirely different, and much more interesting to me: a "streaming service" that brings together various types of copyright-free and "abandonware" music.

Think:

• pre-1930s public-domain recordings from Archive.org

• chiptunes from modarchive.org

• songs/albums available for "free" or "pay-what-you-want" on Bandcamp

• "doujin music" (https://doujinstyle.com/, but I'd also include e.g. OCRemix in this category)

• various royalty-free music libraries

• Creative-Commons-licensed AI-generated music (if you like that kind of thing)

• rips of "background music" and "muzak" from long-out-of-business companies who specialized in producing that kind of thing

• free public-shared performances of non-IP-burdened plays / musicals / opera

...but presenting all of that, through a slick, Soundcloud-like interface.

Wouldn't that be neat?

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by toomuchtodo »

elliotec wrote: post #50
toomuchtodo wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musicians are not the consumers, users are the consumers. Some musicians will always be unhappy, this is unavoidable due to complex issues around IP rights, compensation for art, and the length of time it takes to make changes to these systems (not to mention simply how much existing content is out there new and current artists are competing against, attention economy and all that). n=1, I am optimizing for access to…

This is a really shitty take. „Can’t please everyone, might as well piss off the creators and show it as a badge of pride!“ Personally I will never use this software and would actively advocate against it if only to counter the attitude you’re presenting. But mainly because artists should be able to make a living and it’s already hard enough with the meager pennies or less they get from current PAID streaming service…

Artists making a living will in no way be impacted by the use of this software. The only way for artists to make a living through their art would be changes through IP/copyright reform (politics and policy, which will take years if not decades) and the operation of platforms where they can get a more fair share of compensation [1] [2]. One can think a musician's response to this software is absurd and still believe they should be able to live comfortably and with dignity while creating art. Pay these folks UBI if we have to, but the problem is not this software is my point.

[1] Spotify Alternatives That Pay Artists... - https://cutoffthespigot.substack.com/p/spotify-alternatives-...

[2] How To Support Artists As They Withdraw From Spotify - https://www.nylon.com/entertainment/delete-spotify-alternati...

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by dlivingston »

bslaq wrote: post #39
throwaway58576 wrote: post #37

> When pressed for reasons what exactly is so bad about Electron, they can rarely offer anything than vaguely mumbled "memory usage" or "b-but it's an entire browser" (both of which have not been true for years, for example Electron's memory usage has improved dramatically, but the meme stuck) I downloaded Nuclear (the AppImage, if that matters) and booted it up. Instant 300MB RAM usage. I think I'll pass.

300 MB is 1.25% of my RAM. An application using 1.25% of my RAM seems reasonable.

1.25% of Elon Musk's net worth is $5.2 billion dollars, but buying, I don't know, a new PC for that price would not be reasonable.

Okay, bad analogy. My point is: just because your budget is high and you've got bytes to burn doesn't mean all those bytes should be burned.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by deejaaymac »

sweeter wrote: post #47
toomuchtodo wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musicians are not the consumers, users are the consumers. Some musicians will always be unhappy, this is unavoidable due to complex issues around IP rights, compensation for art, and the length of time it takes to make changes to these systems (not to mention simply how much existing content is out there new and current artists are competing against, attention economy and all that). n=1, I am optimizing for access to…

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Comparing copying data to battery/assault is wild

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by gpm »

derefr wrote: post #54

So this is essentially a Popcorn Time-type-thing, but aping Soundcloud rather than Netflix. Cool, I guess? But also too bad! Because when I first read the headline (and the Github description: "Streaming music player that finds free music for you"), I had imagined this to be something entirely different, and much more interesting to me: a "streaming service" that brings together various types of copyright-free and "a…

> So this is essentially a Popcorn Time-type-thing

If I understand this software correctly, that's not a fair comparison. Popcorn time plays movies from sources that did not have the right to give you a copy (illegal torrents). This plays music from sources that did have a right to give you a copy (e.g. youtube).

An app for liberally licensed/public domain music would be neat, this isn't that, but it's also not obviously illegal piracy the same way popcorn time was.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by slg »

bigyabai wrote: post #49
slg wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musicians are not the consumers, but it's their work being consumed and this software would have no purpose without them. And to be clear, my problem isn't that this software upset some musicians. It's that the developers highlighting that fact as part of their marketing suggests they take pride in angering musicians. That is a level of disrespect that goes way beyond the sort of passive consumer level disrespect of…

> It's active hostility Not really? If the testimonials are true, then simply making the app itself is an act of hostility. The parent comment is putting it as nicely as it can be put. If you don't want people to pirate your music, your only path of recourse as a musician is to stop uploading digital copies of your work. There is no honor system in music or data and there never will be.

>The parent comment is putting it as nicely as it can be put. If you don't want people to pirate your music, your only path of recourse as a musician is to stop uploading digital copies of your work. There is no honor system in music or data and there never will be.

I'm just tired of this technolibertarian mindset of "it's not wrong because no one is stopping me from doing it". There is no "honor system" in life either and if you see that as permission to be an asshole, that just makes you an asshole. And if your best defense against being accused of being an asshole is some form of "they couldn't stop me", then you're tacitly admitting to being an asshole.

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