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Re: The staff ate it later

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Post by bambax »

Y_Y wrote: post #2

> Then Pharaoh also called for the wise men and the sorcerers, and they also, the magicians of Egypt, did the same with their secret arts. For each one threw down his staff and they turned into serpents. But Aaron’s staff swallowed up their staffs. - Exodus 7:1-12 (NIV) Many moons ago I had a girlfriend who worked on an nationally broadcast afternoon show where they often had guest chefs demonstrating dishes, so I wo…

Not sure what the quote has to do with anything here, but it's a as good an opportunity as ever to say that large parts of the "Old Testament" draw most of its inspiration from the code of Hammurabi ("an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth"), the Epic of Gilgamesh (which gave us, notably, the story of the deluge, and the dark role of the serpent) and Ancient Egypt, to which it owes, among many others, the concept of eternal life and the idea that man was made in God's image.

To be "in God's image" was one of the titles of Pharaoh.

And about the staff: early depictions of Jesus often have him holding a magic wand [0], as he was considered by followers and ennemies alike to be a magician. The "Three Wise Men" or "Three Kings" (?!) that show up at his birth are just "magi" (magicians) in the original text [1].

[0] https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Magi

Re: The staff ate it later

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Post by apt-apt-apt-apt »

germinalphrase wrote: post #48
operator-name wrote: post #33

In the west we have “No Animals Were Harmed in the making of …”, which I’m only just learning comes from the American Humane Society: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Humane_Society#No_A... I had always thought it were a generic phrase!

Tripwiring (and thus fatally wounding) horses was quite a thing back in the day.

Still happening in 2022, though hopefully the outrage and changes after this incident avoids most future ones. Even the description in the article is really sad.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/21/asia/south-korea-horse-death-...

Re: The staff ate it later

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Post by jajko »

AxEy wrote: post #128
stickfigure wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the little bird was tasty it might have gone on the bbq too. We humans are capable of empathizing with different creatures differently. Some people have their empathy dial set up so high that they anthropomorphize plants. Some have it set so low they're psychopaths. Most functional people are in the middle. Personally, keeping chickens has almost completely put me off empathy with them. Roosters are assholes. Into…

> "Personally, keeping chickens has almost completely put me off empathy with them. Roosters are assholes. Into the pot with you." What a relief that we don't generally take this policy toward asshole humans. At any rate, it's one thing to eat one asshole chicken and another to systematically farm asshole chicken to be killed.

What do you mean, in many places around the world we kill people society or state considers assholes, including US.

Then we can discuss where is the cutoff line for enough assholishness to go for a slaughter and where something less severe, but practice is here and not going anywhere.

Re: The staff ate it later

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Post by cylemons »

keiferski wrote: post #110
adriand wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I guess our cultures are simply too different, but it genuinely seems like people saw all animals as "things" until, like, the 1950s or something like that. There’s a weird disconnect where people ignore or are wilfully ignorant of cruelty to animals in industrial food production but are sensitive to it in virtually every other context. I saw a woman the other day who was tending to an injured pigeon and had called…

It is mostly just proximity and framing. A hurt wild animal is alive and right in front of you. Meat from the grocery store is a prepackaged product that isn’t mentally associated with the bloody process behind the scenes required to get it there. The commercial aspect is pretty dependent on this distancing. Case-in-point: I once stayed in a small town in Morocco for a few weeks. There wasn’t a grocery store nearby,…

Also a matter of purpose, killing animals for food is more acceptable than killing them for sport or entertainment

Re: The staff ate it later

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Post by rendaw »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #63
operator-name wrote: post #33

In the west we have “No Animals Were Harmed in the making of …”, which I’m only just learning comes from the American Humane Society: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Humane_Society#No_A... I had always thought it were a generic phrase!

We also have "No one was harmed in the making of this video" and similar, which has become so prevalent that its absence is sometime used to infer that someone was indeed injured or killed in the clip.

The growth of youtube has basically undone that. There's lots of very sketchy youtube/shorts/etc videos out there...

Re: The staff ate it later

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Post by a-french-anon »

adriand wrote: post #87
kulahan wrote: post #55

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Wasn't there some horrible story about the number of animals killed in the filming of Homeward Bound or some similar movie? I simply cannot comprehend the callousness of people towards animals back then. I guess our cultures are simply too different, but it genuinely seems like people saw all animals as "things" until, like, the 1950s or something like that. What the heck?

> I guess our cultures are simply too different, but it genuinely seems like people saw all animals as "things" until, like, the 1950s or something like that. There’s a weird disconnect where people ignore or are wilfully ignorant of cruelty to animals in industrial food production but are sensitive to it in virtually every other context. I saw a woman the other day who was tending to an injured pigeon and had called…

"Cruelty" is a rhetoric word because its meaning is caught between the classical "deliberate causing of pain" and the new "neglect, indifference towards another's pain" and of course, that discrepancy is fully exploited. What livestock beasts suffer is purely for practical reasons.

>I am genuinely unsure where this disconnect comes from

1. Empathy is a base emotional response triggered by nearby animals, not a rational/moral one.

2. Empathy is also an evolutionary tool that "happened" in (some) humans to help survive situations that require some sort of cooperation, like harsh winters. Anthropomorphization is an associated bug, not a feature.

2b. Being disconnected from nature and reality is the #1 cause for such disorder; you don't see any kind of vegetarianism in rural people.

3. People with a brain realize that eating meat is important.

4. People with a bigger brain also realize that that eating other animals is the prerogative of power: humans have simply won the animal kingdom's oldest game and are enjoying its spoils. Things wouldn't (and shouldn't) be different if positions were reversed.

Re: The staff ate it later

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Post by jajko »

crazygringo wrote: post #102
alpinisme wrote: post #98

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That and nobody wants to eat a meal 40 times to get 40 takes.

This is the answer. The food is perfectly fine. It's fresh, there's catering on set, and it can be replaced as needed, unless it's something super unusual. BUT if you eat the food in one shot you need to eat it in all the shots for continuity, so you can edit it together. Get ready to start barfing after 40 big bites of the same damn thing. If you look closely, you'll also see the coffee/tea cups actors sip from are…

One thing I noticed over and over, from cheap sitcoms to expensive blockbusters - when actors sip, they have liquid, but clearly the movement of glass to mouth is 'dishonest', as in too fast or too low for any liquid to actually make it into mouth. No swallowing movement of throat neither.

I guess its subconscious - they know they are not going to actually drink it, they focus their mind on other aspects of acting, so this part leaves them not faking it well.

If you see it once, you can't stop noticing it elsewhere afterwards, beware.

Re: The staff ate it later

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Post by nick49488171 »

Y_Y wrote: post #2

> Then Pharaoh also called for the wise men and the sorcerers, and they also, the magicians of Egypt, did the same with their secret arts. For each one threw down his staff and they turned into serpents. But Aaron’s staff swallowed up their staffs. - Exodus 7:1-12 (NIV) Many moons ago I had a girlfriend who worked on an nationally broadcast afternoon show where they often had guest chefs demonstrating dishes, so I wo…

Amazing they made the real food on a now not just "show food" which is only a looks-like model.

Re: The staff ate it later

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Post by gora_mohanty »

SapporoChris wrote: post #139
ahofmann wrote: post #134

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To make it worse: it's not millions of chickens, that live in appaling conditions and die horrible deaths. We kill around 50 billion chickens every year. That is 137 million chickens every day. Chickens that are used for eating are alive for around 28 to 42 days. That are 3.8 to 5.7 billion chicken on any day. The numbers might be slightly off, because chicken raised for eggs are alive longer (around a year).

This is why I support whaling. One whale can feed many people, one chicken not so many. All whales harvested are free range.

I wholly support this logic, and want it extended to humans: Soylent Green will be the next food craze
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