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Re: Imgur's community was in revolt

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Post by efilife »

hellojesus wrote: post #70
Analemma_ wrote: post #68

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It might, but then you’ve created a whole new set of problems: if anyone can take down anyone else’s content with one click, they’ll do it against anybody they dislike just for the hell of it (this was the case on Tumblr for a brief period: the Report button almost automatically banned the user, until they immediately realized this was unworkable). So if you don’t want everyone to ban everyone, you need a moderation…

Agreed. I was mostly asking about any legal issues. The problems are like you stated. We even see this happen with invalid dcma complaints in moderation-heavy environments. There are certainly safety rails such as rate limited reports per user, etc., but then you need some moderation anyway. But if the legal requirement is, "take down media if the fbi comes knocking", maybe it's just easier to deal with it that way i…

fyi it's DMCA

Re: Imgur's community was in revolt

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Post by Centigonal »

bityard wrote: post #121
Aurornis wrote: post #43

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I was an early Reddit user. Very early Reddit was a popular spot for programming discussion because it was mostly tech people using it. That quickly flipped, as /r/NSFW became the most popular subreddit. You could avoid it by browsing as a guest or by curating your feed, but porn was everywhere. Early Reddit also had a strong attitude about minimal moderation. The early days were characterized by a feeling that anyth…

I didn't have an account at the time, but I tried to like Reddit when it was one of the new link aggregators on the block. The minimalist functionality appealed to me and there were no subreddits at the time. Unfortunately I give up on it after a few weeks because most of the links/discussions were usually about evenly split between Emacs, Ruby and magic mushrooms. None of which I ever got around to trying.

Perhaps it's too late but Ruby is totally worth it. The other two will destroy your brain and leave you a raving lunatic.

Re: Imgur's community was in revolt

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Post by arthens »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #72
x187463 wrote: post #56

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Discovering Imgur has its own community and culture is like finding out a group of people live in your closet. You can almost imagine opening the door to grab a coat only to find a dozen people who swear this is the place they bring various outerwear and talk about such things. When you tell them they're in a coat closet, they may get upset and assure you it's more than that, now.

I once discovered a community of people in a PhPBB board I administered - they didn't register on the board itself, but one of the plugins allowed a different type of user registration, and a whole sub-forum itself. We had no idea, until one day we stumbled into it by accident. It was very much like discovering a family was living in your closet.

That is such a fascinating story. I would love to hear more about it.

Re: Imgur's community was in revolt

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Post by lubujackson »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #142
duxup wrote: post #140

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Some that come to mind to me from the old days (some less old than others): - "Street fashion" subs, where photos were NOTICEABLY of underage girls taken on the street candidly, usually from a long distance (telephoto lens), and everyone talked about "fashion" in ways you figured out pretty fast were not about fashion. There were a number operating at the same time as a sort of redundancy as they would vanish from ti…

> how emotionally charged the devotes were about something as inconsequential as ... video game reviews. There's a good reason the phrase "it's about ethics in games journalism" was used to mock gamergaters. It was so transparently not about that in the slightest. I'm not one of those "gamergate caused trumpism" domino meme people but they are related phenomena. GG was a revanchist political movement based on using t…

I'm pretty sure Gamergate was a Russian shitstirring test case. Seriously. All I ever saw was two groups of people talking past each other, talking about completely different things, until things started to settle down... and some new account would roll a flaming tire into the thread and keep it going. Over and over, across the web.

Re: Imgur's community was in revolt

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Post by violetthrift »

simianwords wrote: post #148
i_am_jl wrote: post #95

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It definitely exists. I use imgur to share stuff with friends, sometimes I forget to mark it private and users will vote and comment. I didn't notice until I got a dog and started posting pictures the community cared about.

This is heartwarming for some reason

It is, though the other side of the coin was always uploading an image for your niche hobby sub and being inundated by sneering imgur users who wanted to know why your keyboard looked "stupid." The site developed a reputation (among reddit users) for being full of thoroughly incurious people with very confident opinions on your niche interest.

Re: Imgur's community was in revolt

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Post by skeezyboy »

skeezyboy wrote: post #79
x187463 wrote: post #56

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Discovering Imgur has its own community and culture is like finding out a group of people live in your closet. You can almost imagine opening the door to grab a coat only to find a dozen people who swear this is the place they bring various outerwear and talk about such things. When you tell them they're in a coat closet, they may get upset and assure you it's more than that, now.

i loled and so true

so bloody true tho isnt it

Re: Imgur's community was in revolt

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Post by addandsubtract »

Aurornis wrote: post #43
Workaccount2 wrote: post #5

What's interesting about imgur, and telling of how times changed, was that it was created mostly to fill the gap in unreliable uploading of images to reddit. Which begs the question: What the hell was reddit doing that they didn't immediately implement an image hosting feature to keep users on the platform? Imgur rose to fame because it was the darling image host of reddit users, and it wasn't long before imgur neede…

I was an early Reddit user. Very early Reddit was a popular spot for programming discussion because it was mostly tech people using it. That quickly flipped, as /r/NSFW became the most popular subreddit. You could avoid it by browsing as a guest or by curating your feed, but porn was everywhere. Early Reddit also had a strong attitude about minimal moderation. The early days were characterized by a feeling that anyth…

One of my favorite early-reddit memory is a guy sharing his S3 bucket over a holiday. People were uploading and downloading so many things... I don't even want to know what that guy's bill looked like.

Re: Imgur's community was in revolt

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Post by theasisa »

kstrauser wrote: post #29
bslaq wrote: post #3

This will work as well as the Reddit revolts.

The Reddit revolt worked for me. It broke me of the habit of hanging out there.

I've pretty much ignored the various Reddit revolts. What drove me away from Reddit and Imgur was the constant spam of US politics. The recent Imgur revolt actually made the site better for me (after the middle finger spam ended) - political posts went from ~50% to less than 10%.

Re: Imgur's community was in revolt

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Post by TheNewsIsHere »

nullc wrote: post #149
bsimpson wrote: post #137

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> started requiring appointments I fear we're headed this way generally. There's a kind of person who likes to plan everything ahead of time. As we hit capacity limits (e.g. overtourism), those planners are going to book all the available capacity. We're going to either have to adapt to be like them, or be locked out of experiences. I'm very not happy about it.

That type mostly only wants the most shrinkwrapped and commercialized experiences. Do something unique, something new, something odd. You won't have any competition from ahead bookers and you can have experiences they'll never imagine.

I would submit that many essential things are shrink wrapped and commercialized (fantastic phrase, by the way).

It’s not just the planners either. It’s the people who are unreasonable and it’s the people who lack any external center of concern. By way of example: it used to be easy to get in touch with my physician. As the practice she works for has grown, they’ve made it all but impossible for physicians and patients to have a conversation privately and without an intermediary, except when you’re in the exam room or a physician places an outgoing call.

As their practice grew, so too did the number of people who believed they should or could (defensibly) go directly to their doctor about every little thing. People made unreasonable demands. So the practice reacted to protect the physicians at the cost of their accessibility to patients, other than booking a visit.

Re: Imgur's community was in revolt

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Post by TheNewsIsHere »

mort96 wrote: post #96
mananaysiempre wrote: post #93

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This is a prisoner’s dilemma situation. You don’t want to host that content, which is your right. And neither does anyone else. So every place that does try ends up swamped with the undesirables and either stops trying, goes bust, or turns into a poisonous swamp. And thus all the “yes but not here” people collectively end up enforcing a degree of censorship beyond what the law actually requires, or (in other cases) e…

It seems like you view free speech as "everyone should be provided a platform to speak their mind", more or less. With that view, what you speak of is arguably a problem, sure. My view of free speech is simply: the government shouldn't arrest you for publishing most things (with only certain mostly-well-defined exceptions). If there are views which are not illegal but which no platform will let you publish, I really…

I’ve never understood the “everyone is entitled to have their voice heard by the masses” idea.

It’s never been true before, let alone realistic. It’s only with the past several decades of networked computing that humans have been able to so vastly amplify the reach of an individual or group opinion.

Just because it’s easier than ever to publish speech doesn’t make having one’s speech published any kind of right.

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