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Re: The staff ate it later

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Post by jfengel »

Restaurants (at least in the US) have very strict standards about how long you can keep something at room temperature before you have to throw it away. Those standards are extremely conservative, and lead to a lot of food waste, but if I were on the staff I'd at least want to keep an eye on how long something has been sitting out. Those standards have just been beaten into me.

You also see that on a lot of fictional TV shows with dining scenes. Often nobody actually puts anything in their mouths. It was made hours ago while you were off shooting something else, and still more time while they got costumes, lights, makeup, etc. right (and for several takes). By the time film is rolling it has gotten quite gross.

(Assuming it was even food in the first place. Fake food often looks better and doesn't go off.)

Re: The staff ate it later

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Post by schoen »

I'd contrast this with the game show "Double Dare".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Dare_(franchise)

I hope the staff didn't eat the food later, as the competitors often had to swim in it or crawl through it. I think it was generally real food, which was occasionally controversial (maybe it would have been more controversial in Japan?).

Re: The staff ate it later

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Post by justinclift »

johnea wrote: post #71
AlienRobot wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a similar concept in English culture called "waste".

Yes, waste is an English cultural concept, especially in the US. In this concept, waste is viewed as a sign of affluence. So ironically, the more one wastes the more "conservative" one is considered to be. Pretty much the opposite of the Japanese concept of mottainai.

> In this concept, waste is viewed as a sign of affluence.

Seems pretty dumb. Maybe mostly a US thing?

Re: The staff ate it later

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Post by stevage »

rkomorn wrote: post #46
stevage wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh, I find vegan cheese very variable. I never seek it out but experience it relatively often. Sometimes it's tasty and chewy. Sometimes it's a bland monstrosity. I don't know why.

Vegan feta has the best success rate for me. Unfortunately, feta has limited applications. (I'm not vegan but I like to try vegan products anyway.)

> feta has limited applications.

Politely beg to differ.

Re: The staff ate it later

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Post by rtpg »

johnea wrote: post #71
AlienRobot wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a similar concept in English culture called "waste".

Yes, waste is an English cultural concept, especially in the US. In this concept, waste is viewed as a sign of affluence. So ironically, the more one wastes the more "conservative" one is considered to be. Pretty much the opposite of the Japanese concept of mottainai.

The idea of not wasting food as a sort of baseline concept is a thing plenty of parents in the US teach their children.

Re: The staff ate it later

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Post by mikepurvis »

fsckboy wrote: post #20
triceratops wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get it now. More staff engineers than I expected in the Bible.

pretty much everything is in the Bible if you look, even automobiles: "and G-d drove Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden in His Fury" https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=plymouth%20fury&ia=images&i...

Joshua 6:27 KJV: "The Lord was with Joshua and his Triumph was heard throughout the land."

https://www.google.com/search?q=trumph+motorcycle

Re: The staff ate it later

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Post by adriand »

kulahan wrote: post #55
germinalphrase wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tripwiring (and thus fatally wounding) horses was quite a thing back in the day.

Wasn't there some horrible story about the number of animals killed in the filming of Homeward Bound or some similar movie? I simply cannot comprehend the callousness of people towards animals back then. I guess our cultures are simply too different, but it genuinely seems like people saw all animals as "things" until, like, the 1950s or something like that. What the heck?

> I guess our cultures are simply too different, but it genuinely seems like people saw all animals as "things" until, like, the 1950s or something like that.

There’s a weird disconnect where people ignore or are wilfully ignorant of cruelty to animals in industrial food production but are sensitive to it in virtually every other context. I saw a woman the other day who was tending to an injured pigeon and had called animal welfare people to come tend to it. Meanwhile, millions of chickens live in appalling conditions and die horrible deaths en masse.

I am genuinely unsure where this disconnect comes from. I was the same for most of my life but a few years ago, I started thinking about the animals I was eating and then I couldn’t eat them any more.

I don’t begrudge people their compassion. A few nights ago I went outside to put some stuff on the barbecue and my wife was in the backyard, concerned for the fate of a female cardinal that had flown into our sunroom window. It was stunned and couldn’t fly. Its mate was worriedly flitting through nearby bushes. “That’s so sad,” my wife said. “Yes,” I agreed, and then I put her skewers of meat on the barbecue.

Re: The staff ate it later

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Post by alsetmusic »

I genuinely thought this would be about a temporal dog-ate-my-homework sort of thing. Really.

I’m glad that Japanese society cares this much about food waste. We could use more of that where I am (USA).

Re: The staff ate it later

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Post by pbsd »

kulahan wrote: post #55
germinalphrase wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tripwiring (and thus fatally wounding) horses was quite a thing back in the day.

Wasn't there some horrible story about the number of animals killed in the filming of Homeward Bound or some similar movie? I simply cannot comprehend the callousness of people towards animals back then. I guess our cultures are simply too different, but it genuinely seems like people saw all animals as "things" until, like, the 1950s or something like that. What the heck?

Cimino's Heaven's Gate (1980) is usually pointed as the movie that caused the "no animals were harmed" disclaimer to be added to subsequent movies.

Re: The staff ate it later

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Post by lmm »

juancn wrote: post #4

It's related to the concept of Mottainai (もったいない, 勿体無い) in Japanese culture. Where any waste is considered bad, specially related to food. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mottainai

This is similar to the Japanese concept of Shitsurei (失礼, しつれい). It is of course impossible to comprehend this unique idea that no other world culture has ever conceived of. What a remarkable society!
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