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Anthropic raises $13B Series F

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Every round Anthropic raises twists the knife deeper in SBF. If only he could have survived the downturn his Antropic investment alone probably could have papered over the other loses.

Does someone care about this alternative speculative history? Why? If there was something called the sunk death fallacy, I would invoke it.

Re: Anthropic raises $13B Series F

#162
post #9

I feel like the money itself makes less and less sense these days. It's just numbers that are becoming increasingly detached from the real world

Before you pat yourself on the back for being so smart and grounded...

Remember, every technology you use today followed this pattern, with winners emerging that absolutely did go on to be extremely profitable for decades.

Most of us remember the .com era. But in the early 1900s there was literally hundreds of automotive startups (actual car companies, and tens of thousands of supplier startups) in the metro-detroit area: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_automobile_man...

Some of these went on to be absolutely fantastic investments, most didn't. All VCs and people who invest in venture know this pattern.

Everybody involved knows exactly the high risk level of the bets they are making. This is not "dumb" money detached from reality, and the pension funds with a 3% allocation to venture are going to be just fine if all these companies implode, this is just uncorrelated diversification for them. The point of these VC funds is to lose most of the time and win big very rarely.

There will be crashes, and more bubbles in the future. Humans will human. Everything is fine.

Re: Anthropic raises $13B Series F

#163

The compute moat is getting absolutely insane. We're basically at the point where you need a small country's GDP just to stay in the game for one more generation of models. What gets me is that this isn't even a software moat anymore - it's literally just whoever can get their hands on enough GPUs and power infrastructure. TSMC and the power companies are the real kingmakers here. You can have all the talent in the w…

And just now came the email with the changes to their terms of usage and policy.

Nice timing? I am sure they have scored a deal with the selling of personal data

Re: Anthropic raises $13B Series F

#164
post #9

I feel like the money itself makes less and less sense these days. It's just numbers that are becoming increasingly detached from the real world

comparisons with internet age very much resonate - dark compute will be as dark fiber was

I doubt it.

Some will be used a lot will be written off and tossed away.

Re: Anthropic raises $13B Series F

#165
That's now between an entire Instagram and WhatsApp acquisition cost.

It's hard to escape the conclusion this is dumb money jumping on a bandwagon. To justify the expected returns here requires someone to make a transformer like leap again, and that doesn't take spending huge amounts in one place, but funding a lot more speculative thinkers.

Re: Anthropic raises $13B Series F

#166
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not clear to me that each new generation of models is going to be "that" much better vs cost. Anecdotally moving from model to model I'm not seeing huge changes in many use cases. I can just pick an older model and often I can't tell the difference... Video seems to be moving forward fast from what I can tell, but it sounds like the back end cost of compute there is skyrocketing with it raising other questions.

We do seem to be hitting the top of the curve of diminishing returns. Forget AGI - they need a performance breakthrough in order to stop shoveling money into this cash furnace.

Inference performance per watt is continuing to improve, so even if we hit the peak of what LLM technology can scale to, we'll see tokens per second, per dollar, and per watt continue to improve for a long time yet.

I don't think we're hitting peak of what LLMs can do, at all, yet. Raw performance for one-shot responses, maybe; but there's a ton of room to improve "frameworks of thought", which are what agents and other LLM based workflows are best conceptualized as.

The real question in my mind is whether we will continue to see really good open-source model releases for people to run on their own hardware, or if the companies will become increasingly proprietary as their revenue becomes more clearly tied up in selling inference as a service vs. raising massive amounts of money to pursue AGI.

Re: Anthropic raises $13B Series F

#167
post #5

Every round Anthropic raises twists the knife deeper in SBF. If only he could have survived the downturn his Antropic investment alone probably could have papered over the other loses.

>"Every round Anthropic raises twists the knife deeper in SBF. If only he could have survived the downturn his Antropic investment alone probably could have papered over the other loses." Things working out in the end doesn't make what he did not a crime at the time. He was a common paper hanger, albeit with billions instead.

> Things working out in the end doesn't make what he did not a crime at the time

Morally speaking, no. Practically speaking, it does. He would not have seen jail time.

Re: Anthropic raises $13B Series F

#168
post #9

I feel like the money itself makes less and less sense these days. It's just numbers that are becoming increasingly detached from the real world

Before you pat yourself on the back for being so smart and grounded... Remember, every technology you use today followed this pattern, with winners emerging that absolutely did go on to be extremely profitable for decades. Most of us remember the .com era. But in the early 1900s there was literally hundreds of automotive startups (actual car companies, and tens of thousands of supplier startups) in the metro-detroit…

Did you respond to the wrong comment?

Re: Anthropic raises $13B Series F

#169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In the early days of FedEx, Smith had to go to great lengths to keep the company afloat. In one instance, after a crucial business loan was denied, he took the company's last $5,000 to Las Vegas and won $27,000 gambling on blackjack to cover the company's $24,000 fuel bill. Some who take on unreasonable risk will be among the most successful people alive. Most will lose eventually, long before you hear about them i…

You know, it only just now occurs to me to wonder if the blackjack story is the public sanitized version of "how I got $24k because I'm not allowed to tell you the real version"

Las Vegas still had deep mafia ties in the 1970s so that’s very possible.

Re: Anthropic raises $13B Series F

#170
post #5

Every round Anthropic raises twists the knife deeper in SBF. If only he could have survived the downturn his Antropic investment alone probably could have papered over the other loses.

yeah, had CZ not made those tweets... He only had to weather another 2 months of the BTC bear market. BTC began to rebound in Jan 2023. Of course hindsight is 20-202

CZ was a minor factor. Someone internal leaked the balance sheet.

Hindsight says, don't do fraud.

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