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Anthropic raises $13B Series F

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Re: Anthropic raises $13B Series F

#121
Hopefully this'll give them another 3 months of runway, so they can go back to letting me use Claude Sonnet for 5 hours out of the 5-hour limit, rather than the 2.5 hours I'm getting now.

($100-plan, no agents, no mcp, one session at a time)

Re: Anthropic raises $13B Series F

#122
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not clear to me that each new generation of models is going to be "that" much better vs cost. Anecdotally moving from model to model I'm not seeing huge changes in many use cases. I can just pick an older model and often I can't tell the difference... Video seems to be moving forward fast from what I can tell, but it sounds like the back end cost of compute there is skyrocketing with it raising other questions.

We do seem to be hitting the top of the curve of diminishing returns. Forget AGI - they need a performance breakthrough in order to stop shoveling money into this cash furnace.

"cash furnace", so aptly put.

Re: Anthropic raises $13B Series F

#123
post #34

The compute moat is getting absolutely insane. We're basically at the point where you need a small country's GDP just to stay in the game for one more generation of models. What gets me is that this isn't even a software moat anymore - it's literally just whoever can get their hands on enough GPUs and power infrastructure. TSMC and the power companies are the real kingmakers here. You can have all the talent in the w…

It's not clear to me that each new generation of models is going to be "that" much better vs cost. Anecdotally moving from model to model I'm not seeing huge changes in many use cases. I can just pick an older model and often I can't tell the difference... Video seems to be moving forward fast from what I can tell, but it sounds like the back end cost of compute there is skyrocketing with it raising other questions.

The raw model scale is not increasing by much lately. AI companies are constrained by what fits in this generation of hardware, and waiting for the next generation to become available. Models that are much larger than the current frontier are still too expensive to train, and far too expensive to serve them en masse.

In the meanwhile, "better data", "better training methods" and "more training compute" are the main ways you can squeeze out more performance juice without increasing the scale. And there are obvious gains to be had there.

Re: Anthropic raises $13B Series F

#124
post #83

The compute moat is getting absolutely insane. We're basically at the point where you need a small country's GDP just to stay in the game for one more generation of models. What gets me is that this isn't even a software moat anymore - it's literally just whoever can get their hands on enough GPUs and power infrastructure. TSMC and the power companies are the real kingmakers here. You can have all the talent in the w…

In this imaginary timeline where initial investments keep increasing this way, how long before we see a leak shutter a company? Once the model is out, no one would pay for it, right?

You can't run Claude on your PC; you need servers. Companies that have that kind of hardware are not going to touch a pirated model. And the next model will be out in a few months anyway.

Re: Anthropic raises $13B Series F

#125

Impressive round but it seems unlikely this game can go on much longer before something implodes. Given the amount of cash you need to set of fire to stay relevant it’s becoming nearly impossible for all but a few players to stay competitive, but those players have yet to demonstrate a viable business model. With all these models converging, the big players aren’t demonstrating a real technical innovation moat. Every…

And unfortunately, the amount of money being thrown around means that when the bottom falls out and its revealed that the emperor has no clothes, the implosion is going to impact all of us.

It's going to rock the market like we've never seen before.

Re: Anthropic raises $13B Series F

#126
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not clear to me that each new generation of models is going to be "that" much better vs cost. Anecdotally moving from model to model I'm not seeing huge changes in many use cases. I can just pick an older model and often I can't tell the difference... Video seems to be moving forward fast from what I can tell, but it sounds like the back end cost of compute there is skyrocketing with it raising other questions.

We do seem to be hitting the top of the curve of diminishing returns. Forget AGI - they need a performance breakthrough in order to stop shoveling money into this cash furnace.

Yep we do. There is a 1 year old video on YouTube, which describes this limitation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eqRuVp65eY

Called efficient compute frontier

Re: Anthropic raises $13B Series F

#127

The compute moat is getting absolutely insane. We're basically at the point where you need a small country's GDP just to stay in the game for one more generation of models. What gets me is that this isn't even a software moat anymore - it's literally just whoever can get their hands on enough GPUs and power infrastructure. TSMC and the power companies are the real kingmakers here. You can have all the talent in the w…

This sounds terrible for the environment.

Re: Anthropic raises $13B Series F

#128
post #9

I feel like the money itself makes less and less sense these days. It's just numbers that are becoming increasingly detached from the real world

So what should be exchanged for space inside a data center, what should be exchanged for the GPUs that they and everyone wants, what should be exchanged by the people that want to rent the GPUs before someone else

All of whom have a real world standardized thing to exchange for this already

Why do you think this discussion even needs to include the people who don’t have that standardized thing to exchange? If thats what you think

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