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Americans Lose Faith That Hard Work Leads to Economic Gains, WSJ-NORC Poll Finds

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Re: Americans Lose Faith That Hard Work Leads to Economic Gains, WSJ-NORC Poll Finds

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I live in a community full of high-achieving GenZ who did 4-7 AP courses, studied their butts off for the SAT, got into good universities....only to not find any jobs when they graduate with STEM degrees. A dozen neighbors' kids have been asking me for zero-salary jobs just to get experience.

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Re: Americans Lose Faith That Hard Work Leads to Economic Gains, WSJ-NORC Poll Finds

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The poll is more interesting than the article: https://prod-i.a.dj.com/public/resources/documents/WSJNORCJu... 37% of people in the survey are unemployed. That is very high. Not at all representative of the general population (4 to 5%). 69% live in a home they or someone in their household owns. That sounds a lot like young adults yet to get off their feet. More interesting things: - opinion on economy and own financ…

4% unemployment could mean 37% jobless rate since 4% means "recently worked and wants to work again and is looking for a job but hasn't found one yet"

But no reason 37% of people randomly asked, who are not currently working, would necessarily fit those criteria

Re: Americans Lose Faith That Hard Work Leads to Economic Gains, WSJ-NORC Poll Finds

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I live in a community full of high-achieving GenZ who did 4-7 AP courses, studied their butts off for the SAT, got into good universities....only to not find any jobs when they graduate with STEM degrees. A dozen neighbors' kids have been asking me for zero-salary jobs just to get experience.

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Frequently people want experience. The new grads are facing a bleak reality with AI and offshoring.

Re: Americans Lose Faith That Hard Work Leads to Economic Gains, WSJ-NORC Poll Finds

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I live in a community full of high-achieving GenZ who did 4-7 AP courses, studied their butts off for the SAT, got into good universities....only to not find any jobs when they graduate with STEM degrees. A dozen neighbors' kids have been asking me for zero-salary jobs just to get experience.

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How many of those jobs are for people with 0 experience?

Re: Americans Lose Faith That Hard Work Leads to Economic Gains, WSJ-NORC Poll Finds

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Details on page 10 here: https://prod-i.a.dj.com/public/resources/documents/WSJNORCJu... Including previous values: 25% July 2025 29% July 2024 28% March 2023 27% May 2022 Interesting other measurement: Neither agree nor disagree: 32% 24% 28% 27% So... not really much change over the past 3 years.

This is all unreproducible and non scientific internet adbased polling. It's worth dismissing.

Re: Americans Lose Faith That Hard Work Leads to Economic Gains, WSJ-NORC Poll Finds

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I live in a community full of high-achieving GenZ who did 4-7 AP courses, studied their butts off for the SAT, got into good universities....only to not find any jobs when they graduate with STEM degrees. A dozen neighbors' kids have been asking me for zero-salary jobs just to get experience.

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How many of them are real? Some of them have been posting the same position every month.

Out of those that are real, how many of them are completely out of touch with what they're asking for? Whether low salary, unrealistic expectations regarding experience/skills, etc?

Out of those that pass the above filter, how many of them have unrealistic application requirements such as tech tests, etc?

And so on. Hiring is a market for lemons, with scammers on both sides.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Frequently people want experience. The new grads are facing a bleak reality with AI and offshoring.

Correct if I'm wrong, but from what I observe, lots of job postings have "new grads ok"

Re: Americans Lose Faith That Hard Work Leads to Economic Gains, WSJ-NORC Poll Finds

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I live in a community full of high-achieving GenZ who did 4-7 AP courses, studied their butts off for the SAT, got into good universities....only to not find any jobs when they graduate with STEM degrees. A dozen neighbors' kids have been asking me for zero-salary jobs just to get experience.

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When we had a role open (also a YC company) we had iirc about 400 applicants, we narrowed down to the 50 that were legal to work in the UK, and then interviewed about 20 of those.

Anyway, if all of those people applied to each of the companies in who's hiring, and got hired, the unemployment rate for this subset of applicants would still be 50%. And this was for a junior role as well.

Re: Americans Lose Faith That Hard Work Leads to Economic Gains, WSJ-NORC Poll Finds

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I live in a community full of high-achieving GenZ who did 4-7 AP courses, studied their butts off for the SAT, got into good universities....only to not find any jobs when they graduate with STEM degrees. A dozen neighbors' kids have been asking me for zero-salary jobs just to get experience.

That seems normal. My friends and I did the exact same thing w. top grades and top schools 2 decades ago, turns out life is not a easy ride.

Appropriate username, given this sentiment.

Re: Americans Lose Faith That Hard Work Leads to Economic Gains, WSJ-NORC Poll Finds

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The poll is more interesting than the article: https://prod-i.a.dj.com/public/resources/documents/WSJNORCJu... 37% of people in the survey are unemployed. That is very high. Not at all representative of the general population (4 to 5%). 69% live in a home they or someone in their household owns. That sounds a lot like young adults yet to get off their feet. More interesting things: - opinion on economy and own financ…

4% unemployment could mean 37% jobless rate since 4% means "recently worked and wants to work again and is looking for a job but hasn't found one yet" But no reason 37% of people randomly asked, who are not currently working, would necessarily fit those criteria

Thanks for the information. So unemployed != unemployed.

In any case it doesnt really change anything 37% unemployed and 69% living in a home they or someone in their household owns sounds like a lot of young people who havent left the nest.

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