Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

RubyMine is now free for non-commercial use

blog.jetbrains.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

31–40 of 83 posts

Re: RubyMine is now free for non-commercial use

#31

Post by mdaniel »

onionisafruit wrote: post #20
phendrenad2 wrote: post #7

It's been a long time since I last used RubyMine, but I always felt that it was the weakest of the JetBrains tools. And not because JetBrains didn't try hard enough, but because Ruby just doesn't offer a lot of opportunities for an IDE to take advantage of. I ended up cancelling my subscription over some trivial thing (I think it was the fact that I couldn't quite get the IDE to preserve the indentation of a file. It…

It might be the weakest of the jetbrains IDEs[0], but for a long time it was simultaneously the best Ruby IDE for my needs. It had reliable jump to definition when nobody else did. That was key for me circa 2015 when I was coming from Java and struggling with my first dynamically typed language since Perl. There are probably better Ruby editors out there now. I stick with RubyMine because I use jetbrains for other la…

> [0] I won’t say the weakest of their tools because youtrack exists.

I realized something shocking while nodding along to your observation: they are a dev-tools company, and made their own issue tracker, but I still have to populate every single field, by hand, when reporting a bug against one of their products. But they have total control over the content emitted by RubyMine > About in order to package up the "what, exact, release and platform is the user on". Ironically, I could file that as a YouTrack against the YouTrack product if I enjoy spitting into the wind

Re: RubyMine is now free for non-commercial use

#32

Post by TheAceOfHearts »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #7

It's been a long time since I last used RubyMine, but I always felt that it was the weakest of the JetBrains tools. And not because JetBrains didn't try hard enough, but because Ruby just doesn't offer a lot of opportunities for an IDE to take advantage of. I ended up cancelling my subscription over some trivial thing (I think it was the fact that I couldn't quite get the IDE to preserve the indentation of a file. It…

It's been a really long time since I last used RubyMine as well, but one of my complaints back then was that it didn't help much when trying to debug code that made heavy use of metaprogramming. Maybe capabilities have improved since then. Despite that limitation, RubyMine still provided a far better debugging experience than what could be achieved through the default ruby debugging tools.

Re: RubyMine is now free for non-commercial use

#33

Post by IshKebab »

joshmn wrote: post #5
rghose wrote: post #3

Just another indication that ruby is dead?

I am not sure how this contributes to the unfounded idea that ruby is dead—Shopify, Stripe, and GitHub amongst many others would like a word. RubyMine isn’t the editor of choice for many of my fellow rubyists, but it is for me—IntelliJ’s LSP alone is a godsend when you’re diving deep into debugging weird gems. I have tried ruby-lsp from Shopify and it gets 95% there but that last 5% is what makes me hyper-productive.…

> Shopify, Stripe, and GitHub

Yeah I mean Facebook, Wordpress, Wikipedia... but are you going to start a new project in PHP today? I bet all of them wish they weren't using Ruby. (Well probably not because they'll attract devs that love Ruby, but you get the point...)

Anyway in terms of concrete numbers the best thing I've found is to look at Github PRs/projects/stars. This site is really cool: https://madnight.github.io/githut/

Ruby was quite popular at the start of the chart in 2014 when it was more popular than Java! But gradually waned until about 2020 where it seems to have stabilised at "not very popular", just behind PHP.

Go and Typescript seem to have taken its place, which makes sense because they're both much better languages.

Re: RubyMine is now free for non-commercial use

#34

Post by privatelypublic »

CiTyBear wrote: post #26

> It’s important to note that, if you’re using a non-commercial license, you cannot opt out of the collection of anonymous usage statistics. Important indeed. This is not "free as in freedom"

It never would be. It's free as in beer.

Also, mark my words: Most/All Jetbrains IDEs are going to go this way. They're just pacing it to keep good press rolling.

Re: RubyMine is now free for non-commercial use

#35

Post by fredoliveira »

IshKebab wrote: post #33
joshmn wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure how this contributes to the unfounded idea that ruby is dead—Shopify, Stripe, and GitHub amongst many others would like a word. RubyMine isn’t the editor of choice for many of my fellow rubyists, but it is for me—IntelliJ’s LSP alone is a godsend when you’re diving deep into debugging weird gems. I have tried ruby-lsp from Shopify and it gets 95% there but that last 5% is what makes me hyper-productive.…

> Shopify, Stripe, and GitHub Yeah I mean Facebook, Wordpress, Wikipedia... but are you going to start a new project in PHP today? I bet all of them wish they weren't using Ruby. (Well probably not because they'll attract devs that love Ruby, but you get the point...) Anyway in terms of concrete numbers the best thing I've found is to look at Github PRs/projects/stars. This site is really cool: https://madnight.githu…

> I bet all of them wish they weren't using Ruby.

I'd take that bet. At scale, (and those 3 are the definition of scale) you can mitigate some of the downsides of Ruby (i.e. speed), but you can't recreate the upsides (i.e. developer satisfaction, learning curve, flexibility) elsewhere.

> Go and Typescript seem to have taken its place, which makes sense because they're both much better languages.

Again: depends on the metrics you're considering. I would certainly consider Go much better than ruby on some metrics, but most definitely not all - and importantly, if I put all of it on a scale (and this is where bias comes in), I still give the edge to Ruby over both of those.

Re: RubyMine is now free for non-commercial use

#37

Post by andrewl »

I am going to try it. One nice thing about JetBrains IDEs is that they have all the functionality of the DataGrip database IDE built in.

This will be an issue for some users. Further down the page is a section on data collection:

Does my IDE send any data to JetBrains?

The terms of the non-commercial agreement assume that the product may also electronically send JetBrains anonymized statistics (IDE telemetry) related to your usage of the product’s features. This information may include but is not limited to frameworks, file templates used in the product, actions invoked, and other interactions with the product’s features. This information does not contain personal data.

Re: RubyMine is now free for non-commercial use

#38

Post by philipallstar »

> Whether you’re learning Ruby and Rails, pushing open-source forward, creating dev content, or building your passion project, we want to make sure you have the tools to enjoy what you do even more… for free.

I don't know why they say this fatuous stuff. Obviously they don't want to do that, or they'd make all their tools available for nothing.

Re: RubyMine is now free for non-commercial use

#39

Post by [deleted] »

philipallstar wrote: post #38

> Whether you’re learning Ruby and Rails, pushing open-source forward, creating dev content, or building your passion project, we want to make sure you have the tools to enjoy what you do even more… for free. I don't know why they say this fatuous stuff. Obviously they don't want to do that, or they'd make all their tools available for nothing.

[deleted]

Re: RubyMine is now free for non-commercial use

#40

Post by snuxoll »

onionisafruit wrote: post #11
nomilk wrote: post #8

This is awesome. Over the past four years I went from Sublime Text, to VS Code, to a 'dual IDE' setup (neovim and cursor). I hear rubymine has the best support for documentation and source code lookup capabilities (vitally important). Curious of its AI capabilities; how much of a step down would it be going from cursor to rubymine? I guess it could be used stand-alone purely for its documentation/source capabilities,…

It’s a bit of a step down from cursor and vscode in terms of AI integration, but I still prefer my jetbrains ides (goland and rubymine). GitHub broke most aspects of their extension for jetbrains last week and didn’t seem to notice. That wouldn’t have happened for vscode (they might break it but they’ll also be in a hurry to fix it). I haven’t tried jetbrains own AI though. It might be fantastic for all I know.

It's different, I wouldn't necessarily say it's worse than Copilot, and I have been happy making the switch given my usage is included with the Jetbrains All Products subscription I already pay.

If you're expecting inline completion that reads your comments and shits out a fully formed function like Copilot, you'll be pretty annoyed - but that's been a positive for me as the completion doesn't constantly try to get in my way and suggest things 10 steps ahead of me. I'm much happier with my assistant letting my continue to steer when I'm actively coding, and instead just focusing on reducing keystrokes.

Chat works great, and I have a whole host of models from multiple providers to pick from. If I actually do want to have it generate some garbage for me, do code review, or simple refactors then I'll whip it out and it does the trick. Being better integrated into the IntelliJ Platform, actually applying changes from the chat window works more often than Copilot did in my experience.

And then there's Junie, which also benefits greatly from integration into the IDE. Since the PSI syntax tree you get from native IntelliJ language plugins gives the IDE a lot of data on whether code is actually valid or not (missing references, hallucinated packages or standard library functions, straight up invalid syntax, etc), you're not relying solely on tests to make sure the end result of a task you set the agent off to do is actually correct. I can come back after asking her to do a large-scale refactor, or implement some (part of a) feature, and generally be confident I'm not wandering into a bunch of garbage.

If you already pay for an All Products Pack license you've got JetBrains AI Pro included, if you pay for a single IDE from them and are already at the 3-year continuity discount then the cost of upgrading to the All Products Pack and getting the AI Pro license is a couple USD difference (depending on the specific product, could be cheaper). Really not much for anybody to lose trying it out, at the least.

Post reply on HN