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I miss using em dashes

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Re: I miss using em dashes

#51
post #35

The real AI tell for me is that it—generally speaking—spaces them incorrectly. An em dash that’s not a sudden interruption shouldn’t have any spacing around it.

AP Style have spaces around it.

It is an interruption to me and I think that little pause is intentional. if the author wants no pause they should have used parentheses

Re: I miss using em dashes

#52
post #19

I wouldn't worry about it. A year ago the red flag du jour was "delve"; this year it's em dashes; next year it'll be something else. In any case, this is a very online topic that I assume only a vocal minority are hung up on in the first place. If you picked a random person off the street and asked for their thoughts on em dashes, you'd probably get a blank stare. Eventually, as models and their users both improve, w…

> Eventually, as models and their users both improve, we'll collectively realize that trying to reliably discriminate between AI and human writing is no different than reading tea leaves. We should judge content based on its intrinsic value, not its provenance.

There are zillions of words produced every second, your time is the most valuable resource you have, and actually existing LLM output (as opposed to some theoretical perfect future) is almost always not worth reading. Like it or not (and personally I hate it), the ability to dismiss things that are not worth reading like a chicken sexer who's picked up a male is now one of the most valuable life skills.

Re: I miss using em dashes

#53
No offense to any em-dash lovers, but I think an overuse of em-dashes indicates that your writing is probably slop, just not AI slop, human slop. In a sense, there is a kind of slop that relies on em-dashes to glue things together - usually in a cliche way, learned from lazy journalists copy-pasting from their last article to add a bit of spice to their writing - and AI just copied it.

(On the other hand, maybe it's just low-paid writers in South Africa: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/apr/16/techscape... )

Re: I miss using em dashes

#55

I'm not sure why people let others change them. I keep punctuating like it's the 20th Century.

> I'm not sure why people let others change them. I keep punctuating like it's the 20th Century. In the 20th century, there were two spaces after an end of sentence period. (I still do that.)

> In the 20th century, there were two spaces after an end of sentence period. (I still do that.)

Only if you used a typewriter. I was using (La)TeX in the twentieth (1990s), and it defaulted to a rough equivalent of 1.5 spaces (see \spacefactor).

Two ('full') space characters were added because of (tele)typewriters and their fixed width fonts, and this was generally not used in 'properly' published works with proportional typefaces; see CMoS:

* https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/qanda/data/faq/topics/O...

Bringhurst's The Elements of Typographic Style (§2.1.4) concurs:

* https://readings.design/PDF/the_elements_of_typographic_styl...

* https://webtypography.net/2.1.4

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elements_of_Typographic_St...

Re: I miss using em dashes

#56
post #19

I wouldn't worry about it. A year ago the red flag du jour was "delve"; this year it's em dashes; next year it'll be something else. In any case, this is a very online topic that I assume only a vocal minority are hung up on in the first place. If you picked a random person off the street and asked for their thoughts on em dashes, you'd probably get a blank stare. Eventually, as models and their users both improve, w…

It’s not even just em dashes, it’s the same style posts people make that match with how chatgpt talks with simple prompts.

Re: I miss using em dashes

#57
I'm calling it now: within a year, somehow a trend will appear where writers will perform their duties under voluntary video surveillance showing the human's face, fingers and screen contents (possibly by multiple cameras) to "prove" they did it on their own.

This video will be too voluminous or intrusive to be viewed manually, so it will be analyzed by (you guessed it) AI to determine if the work was authentic.

It will probably be developed and required by the corrupt education industry, but perhaps some writers will voluntarily use it to buy authenticity or stand out. But either way, the machine will once again find another way to take our agency and make our lives less enjoyable.

Re: I miss using em dashes

#59
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not sure why people let others change them. I keep punctuating like it's the 20th Century. In the 20th century, there were two spaces after an end of sentence period. (I still do that.)

Very annoying how HTML changes your two spaces into one space.

I use “ ” if I really need a blank space.

Re: I miss using em dashes

#60
post #19

I wouldn't worry about it. A year ago the red flag du jour was "delve"; this year it's em dashes; next year it'll be something else. In any case, this is a very online topic that I assume only a vocal minority are hung up on in the first place. If you picked a random person off the street and asked for their thoughts on em dashes, you'd probably get a blank stare. Eventually, as models and their users both improve, w…

> Eventually, as models and their users both improve

I like how this is presented as a given thing that will happen, that models are going to just improve forever. That there isn’t some plateau on “user skill with LLMs” like it’s fucking calculus mixed with rocket science that only the elite users will ever attain full fluency in using.

This is starting to read like religious cult propaganda, which is probably scarier than whatever else ends up happing with this shit.

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