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Re: Thoughts on (Amazonian) leadership

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Amazon is a far cry from the glory days of the past. 80% of corporate workers are visa workers that spend all of their time managing and maintaining the massive complexity inside the company. There is no leadership principles, its just low level grinding. There was a time when employees, even line managers and senior engineers, had massive scope and built state of the art systems

Is there something inherently bad about "visa workers"?

Re: Thoughts on (Amazonian) leadership

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand how slivers of stock is supposed to incentivize anyone to do anything. Amazon has 1.5 million employees. Say that it's a completely fair co-op and I have a 1-in-1.5-millionth share of the whole company. Their market cap is about 2.5T, so this is about 1.6 million USD in stock that I own. (By amazing coincidence, their market cap in USD is about the square of the employee headcount) But if I'm a ran…

I’m not going to strongly defend it but this “ doubling my production could only be equivalent to adding one more 1-in-1.5-millionth to the company's value, right? ” isn’t true; if your work scales or you are managing people, you could move the needle more - say you launch a new service from scratch.

You need to multiple it by the probability of that new service actually succeeding, which is low.

And even then, do you expect it to move stock price by more than 10%? Otherwise it's not going to meaningfully impact your RSU compensation

Re: Thoughts on (Amazonian) leadership

#53

The "leaders are owners" bit is a great idea from the shareholders' perspective, but a bit of a raw deal for the employees. That is, every owner wants the employees to act as if he has as much skin in the game as an owner does. But the employees simply do not. They might have some equity, but at Amazon it would only be the tiniest sliver. If you can convince such employees to act as if they are owners, then good for…

I don't understand how slivers of stock is supposed to incentivize anyone to do anything. Amazon has 1.5 million employees. Say that it's a completely fair co-op and I have a 1-in-1.5-millionth share of the whole company. Their market cap is about 2.5T, so this is about 1.6 million USD in stock that I own. (By amazing coincidence, their market cap in USD is about the square of the employee headcount) But if I'm a ran…

The real purpose of equity grants is to fudge the OpEx accounting costs on non-GAAP reports.

Re: Thoughts on (Amazonian) leadership

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I have principles-fatigue after going through a number of companies that promise to abide by certain good sounding principles only to backtrack at the slightest pushback. I would actually trust a company more if it had no defined principles. Perhaps just honesty and transparency.

Values statements are usually somewhere between a wish list and propaganda. My cynical take is that a company's stated values are exactly the opposite of the behavior you'll find most common in the company.

It makes sense. When leadership speaks topdown in principles, they want some kind of change to happen, so whatever being communicated can be presumed to not be there before.

Re: Thoughts on (Amazonian) leadership

#55

The "leaders are owners" bit is a great idea from the shareholders' perspective, but a bit of a raw deal for the employees. That is, every owner wants the employees to act as if he has as much skin in the game as an owner does. But the employees simply do not. They might have some equity, but at Amazon it would only be the tiniest sliver. If you can convince such employees to act as if they are owners, then good for…

I don't understand how slivers of stock is supposed to incentivize anyone to do anything. Amazon has 1.5 million employees. Say that it's a completely fair co-op and I have a 1-in-1.5-millionth share of the whole company. Their market cap is about 2.5T, so this is about 1.6 million USD in stock that I own. (By amazing coincidence, their market cap in USD is about the square of the employee headcount) But if I'm a ran…

Yeah I think it only really makes sense for people who are very high up (and are given a lot of stock) and for the purpose of creating an environment where "we all work really hard" (and slackers are looked down on). I think Amazon's leadership principle is going for the latter: create social costs for not working hard.

Re: Thoughts on (Amazonian) leadership

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Possibly a better alternative than, say, Bridgewater when Ray Dalio was in charge. Adherence to principles was part of a high percentage of decision making conversations, but since is book is so big, they might be best compared to theological arguments in the middle ages, with different specialists arguing with different quotes from different parts of the book. All in all, once an organization gets big enough, power…

The organizational function you describe where departments become self-serving, empire building, and forget that they need to produce something with ROI for the company, felt rampant during the 2010s. Then the easy money stopped and those companies were forced to look at the ROI of different departments. Entire initiatives or departments were getting cut as soon as budgets stopped growing and executives had to check…

> Half of them are min-maxing their effort to resume appeal ratio with every decision.

If it’s good for the company to operate like that, it can’t be bad for an employee, right?

Moral corruption started from the top and once it reaches bottom, it’s all about proverbal catalytic converters off the company truck.

Then the whole thing collapses of course

Re: Thoughts on (Amazonian) leadership

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post #51

Amazon is a far cry from the glory days of the past. 80% of corporate workers are visa workers that spend all of their time managing and maintaining the massive complexity inside the company. There is no leadership principles, its just low level grinding. There was a time when employees, even line managers and senior engineers, had massive scope and built state of the art systems

Is there something inherently bad about "visa workers"?

It’s captured audience who will not push back as hard as they maybe should. That and depressing wages of course

Re: Thoughts on (Amazonian) leadership

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The "leaders are owners" bit is a great idea from the shareholders' perspective, but a bit of a raw deal for the employees. That is, every owner wants the employees to act as if he has as much skin in the game as an owner does. But the employees simply do not. They might have some equity, but at Amazon it would only be the tiniest sliver. If you can convince such employees to act as if they are owners, then good for…

I don't understand how slivers of stock is supposed to incentivize anyone to do anything. Amazon has 1.5 million employees. Say that it's a completely fair co-op and I have a 1-in-1.5-millionth share of the whole company. Their market cap is about 2.5T, so this is about 1.6 million USD in stock that I own. (By amazing coincidence, their market cap in USD is about the square of the employee headcount) But if I'm a ran…

You are overlooking the part where you affect more than just your own behavior, but that of your colleagues. You also assume a linear function of productivity and stock price.

Re: Thoughts on (Amazonian) leadership

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not going to strongly defend it but this “ doubling my production could only be equivalent to adding one more 1-in-1.5-millionth to the company's value, right? ” isn’t true; if your work scales or you are managing people, you could move the needle more - say you launch a new service from scratch.

You need to multiple it by the probability of that new service actually succeeding, which is low. And even then, do you expect it to move stock price by more than 10%? Otherwise it's not going to meaningfully impact your RSU compensation

You are correct with regards to amazon. In earlier stage companies, your rsu can 3x overnight once you ship
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