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We have an incredible capacity for denial and self-deception. For years, I would periodically drop into severe depression; I would stop sleeping, stop eating, stop answering my phone or email. I wouldn't leave my room for weeks on end; on a few occasions I was so successfully reclusive that people worried that I disappeared or died called the police to investigate. A few times I almost did die; I think the biggest re…

Knowing you "have a problem" doesn't mean you or anyone understands the problem or what to do about it. And even if you know what to do, doesn't mean you can do it either, the psychological, social or just practical barriers can be impossible to climb. Medication has a statistical significant effect, but is often marginal at best, and most of the effect is placebo. And this assumes an accurate diagnosis, and don't co…

You want to talk about statistics, but include anecdotal statements from anonymous sources, and end with an appeal to emotion.

You want to state that psychiatric medicine is mostly placebo, but don't have any good criticisms to levy against double blind studies of antidepressants with placebos.

Given the point of the article was encouraging/helping individuals who have depression to seek medical help, I'm not sure what the purpose of your comments are. It sounds like you had a bad experience with the mental health community.

Just like people who have a bad experience with any public service, I feel for you. I might even look at whether there are systemic issues in the provision of the service, in this case mental health.

But if your intention is to make people question the efficacy and usefulness of mental health treatment for depressed people, then I feel that you are attacking something that many people have fought hard to get, get attention for and get funded, mental health treatment.

Mental health treatment still has a stigma attached to it, that of some inherent deficiency that contributes to mental issues. Adding the unrealistic idea that depressed individuals are going to be locked up and treated like animals isn't helpful in my opinion.

I'm not saying that your experience, or the experiences you are familiar with, was/were invalid. However, hundreds of thousands of individuals who find psychological or pharmacological treatment for mental illness of benefit, and many more could benefit but go undiagnosed/untreated.

Re: Depression lies

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We have an incredible capacity for denial and self-deception. For years, I would periodically drop into severe depression; I would stop sleeping, stop eating, stop answering my phone or email. I wouldn't leave my room for weeks on end; on a few occasions I was so successfully reclusive that people worried that I disappeared or died called the police to investigate. A few times I almost did die; I think the biggest re…

I'm noticing some alarming similarities between your description and my current situation. Shit.

Re: Depression lies

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Forgive the disposable account, I am a long-time registered user with high karma but even I think that once in a while there is a topic that requires anonymity (or at least further pseudonymity).

I do not feel I suffer from depression, yet I think of suicide frequently. Frequently as in, once every couple of days to several times a day, for as long as I remember.

Frequently these are just passing thoughts, of how I might do it, or of an opportunity not taken. Other times these are serious considerations and the weighing up of why not to. I don't pause on "why to" as I can answer that instantly every time.

Ultimately I conclude every time that life isn't worth living. It never has been, and never will be. But yet, to experience it is a gift and I should experience as much of it as possible before the end. To experience life is the only reason I can think of to live.

I always remember Camus, I always am mindful of the Myth of Sisyphus.

http://www.iep.utm.edu/camus/

  
  The Myth of Sisyphus (1943) – If there is a single non-fiction work that can be
  considered an essential or fundamental statement of Camus’ philosophy, it is
  this extended essay on the ethics of suicide (eventually translated and repackaged
  for American publication in 1955). For it is here that Camus formally introduces
  and fully articulates his most famous idea, the concept of the Absurd, and his
  equally famous image of life as a Sisyphean struggle. From its provocative
  opening sentence (“There is but one truly serious philosophical problem, and
  that is suicide”) to its stirring, paradoxical conclusion (“The struggle itself
  toward the heights is enough to fill a man’s heart. One must imagine Sisyphus
  happy”), the book has something interesting and challenging on nearly every
  page and is shot through with brilliant aphorisms and insights. In the end, Camus
  rejects suicide: the Absurd must not be evaded either by religion (“philosophical
  suicide”) or by annihilation (“physical suicide”); the task of living should not
  merely be accepted, it must be embraced.
  
The problem I have is that I feel I already know that one day I will be at peace with the ridiculousness of living, and reject the "to experience" argument. One day dying will win the argument, and it only needs to win once.

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Depression lies. If you have some depression that came from the society, what can I do? I can't get ride of that..

What do you mean by came from the society ? Do you mean it' reactional to the context ? These are the types of depressions where cognitive therapy can be efficient. You can learn to direct your own thoughts, or avoid self bashing thoughts, that will prevent you from falling back into depressions and take control of your own mental wellbeing and your life.

Re: Depression lies

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I'm curious, as I see quite a few post like this regarding coping with depression and suicide, are these very common problems among the HN/tech/startup community? Is it in some way more prevalent in this community vs other fields? Or are these posts for the most part shared and voted up as a sort of public service announcement (maybe not the best way to say it but not sure how to phrase it)? And I don't mean it to co…

> "are these very common problems among the HN/tech/startup community?"

These are very common problems among humanity.

It's good that this community is willing to talk about them so openly.

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Until about 2 years ago I had a long period of heavy depression. At that time, thoughts about suicide did cross my mind often. This depression was partly caused due to a post traumatic stress syndrome.

In his article Wil states that he wasn't very interested in using medicine and I shared the same thought. I did went to a shrink though and eventually we agreed that instead of medication I would go outside more, eat more healthy, occasionally practice a bit of sports and visit friends more often. These things might all seem very basic, but when in a depression it's really very hard to get oneself as far as to actually make these changes. While all of this helps, my major issue was finding a new purpose in life. But I do feel making these changes in my habits did help me find this new purpose.

Now I live in a country with a very good social system, so I can imagine it's easier to make those changes in life compared to countries where it's very hard to survive when not having a job. I've had 2 jobless periods of about a year during my depression which lasted in total for around 7 years.

Re: Depression lies

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Depression lies. If you have some depression that came from the society, what can I do? I can't get ride of that..

Yes I think it can be done. I haven't done it but if you ctrl-f CBT one user suggests they've had success replacing their negative self talk.

Re: Depression lies

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One thing that helped me was additional vitamin D. I did some quick research and found out that one must be careful, as overdosing will bring back the same symptoms, but after adding an additional 1000 IUs a day, I am not getting as depressed as I used to. Please note that my depression was minor, more of the "there is too much going on, I can't get started on anything, I don't feel like working, I think I will just…

Vitamin D helped me too, it seemed to increase my energy.

It makes sense to add this to your diet if you're working behind a desk indoors most of the day.

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