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We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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Really not a libertarian, but why shouldn’t Netflix have the right to choose who they distribute content to? They negotiated conditions with the creators, why shouldn’t they be able to specify the DRM? No one is forcing you to subscribe to Netflix. Or even to buy an iPad.

>why shouldn’t Netflix have the right to choose who they distribute content to? power asymmetry

There are dozens of sources of online streaming entertainment, and its not exactly a vital good.

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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We need both options to coexist: 1. Open, hackable hardware for those who want full control and for driving innovation 2. Locked-down, managed devices for vulnerable users who benefit from protection This concept of "I should run any code on hardware I own" is completely wrong as a universal principle. Yes, we absolutely should be able to run any code we want on open hardware we own - that option must exist. But we s…

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Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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Some things shouldn't be left to amateurs to repair. Just because you "own" the hardware doesn't mean you're equipped to fix it safely or securely. Modern devices are tightly integrated systems -- tinkering with them can make them less reliable, less secure, and sometimes outright dangerous. Manufacturers lock down certain layers not just out of greed, but because risk management protects both users and the people around those users.

If you agree with this article, do you also agree with these statements?

* "We should be able to repair our firearms with freely available full-auto conversions kits."

* "We should be able to repair our own cars, and add software like Volkswagen did to bypass EPA and state inspection testing."

* "We should be able to repair our own homes and offices, and ignore building codes and ADA guidelines."

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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Really not a libertarian, but why shouldn’t Netflix have the right to choose who they distribute content to? They negotiated conditions with the creators, why shouldn’t they be able to specify the DRM? No one is forcing you to subscribe to Netflix. Or even to buy an iPad.

>why shouldn’t Netflix have the right to choose who they distribute content to? power asymmetry

TBH I don't care if Netflix wants to abuse such an asymmetry. I don't need Netflix in my life, so I'll just cancel my subscription(already have). I honestly don't want my lawmakers to spend even a second thinking about Netflix when we have so many large issues in the world right now. If we were talking about something like financial services where I have to engage I would be more sympathetic.

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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post #211

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>why shouldn’t Netflix have the right to choose who they distribute content to? power asymmetry

There are dozens of sources of online streaming entertainment, and its not exactly a vital good.

Yeah, there are a lot of torrent sites! Netflix doens't want my business anymore, I don't really care.

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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> In this context this would mean having the ability and documentation to build or install alternative operating systems on this hardware It doesn't work. Everything from banks to Netflix and others are slowly edging out anything where they can't fully verify the chain of control to an entity they can have a legal or contractual relationship with. To be clear, this is fundamental, not incidental. You can't run your o…

This is the crux of the matter.

Maybe conceptually you will be able to run some kind of open operating system with your own code, but it will be unable to access software or services provided by corporate or governmental entities.

This has been obvious for some time, and as soon as passkeys started popping up the endgame became clear.

Pleading to the government definitely can't save us now though, because they want the control just as much as the corporations do.

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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post #211

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>why shouldn’t Netflix have the right to choose who they distribute content to? power asymmetry

There are dozens of sources of online streaming entertainment, and its not exactly a vital good.

There exist dozens of online services where you can store your photos, doesn't mean companies should be allowed to do whatever they want with your photos...

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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>why shouldn’t Netflix have the right to choose who they distribute content to? power asymmetry

TBH I don't care if Netflix wants to abuse such an asymmetry. I don't need Netflix in my life, so I'll just cancel my subscription(already have). I honestly don't want my lawmakers to spend even a second thinking about Netflix when we have so many large issues in the world right now. If we were talking about something like financial services where I have to engage I would be more sympathetic.

Capital doesn't really care what you want, it will exert control regardless. So in this case Netflix will continue to be part of capital that normalizes the need for DRM to access videos, write IP law, and generally force you into either accepting the world they want or forcing you to become a hermit.

Edit: i mean to say this is true whether or not you've even heard of the company.

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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You kind of can? The carrier network has no way to verify that your cellular modem is a real modem made by a real modem company, and not 3 SDRs in a trench coat standing on the top of each other. The sheer technical difficulty is what makes this kind of thing impractical. The network does validate that a SIM card is a real SIM card, but you can put a "real SIM card" in anything.

IMEI whitelisting is common in the US at least... I think this shuts down the trench coat idea.

Oh no, you'd have to spoof an IMEI, if only that wasn't completely impossible!!

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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post #165

> In this context this would mean having the ability and documentation to build or install alternative operating systems on this hardware It doesn't work. Everything from banks to Netflix and others are slowly edging out anything where they can't fully verify the chain of control to an entity they can have a legal or contractual relationship with. To be clear, this is fundamental, not incidental. You can't run your o…

Really not a libertarian, but why shouldn’t Netflix have the right to choose who they distribute content to? They negotiated conditions with the creators, why shouldn’t they be able to specify the DRM? No one is forcing you to subscribe to Netflix. Or even to buy an iPad.

It's sort of antitrust adjacent. They are big enough to set market rules on the manner of distribution, like DRM and hardware-software lock-in, which doesn't directly stifle competition in their field (only a little) but in another field, and the results are arguably anti-consumer. That sort of power should not be in the hands of a single company.
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