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Rick Beato is right to rant about music copyright strikes

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Re: Rick Beato is right to rant about music copyright strikes

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Post by AlecSchueler »

motoxpro wrote: post #18
rglullis wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Few people are buying anything in this world where streaming is the norm and the labels make money by cutting deals with the distribution platforms. The solution for me, in this specific case, would be for Beato to act against YouTube and take his channel elsewhere. He has enough followers to be able to start his own Peertube server, find a few sponsors and keep going forever.

Neither the GP or this comment are viable in the real world. Businesses/creators need continued distribution, see Nike as an example of what happens when you "take your audience elsewhere to monetize them better/more." 1. People buy the other option (in Nike's case they kept going to footlocker and buying other shoes rather than only buying Nike DTC, in Beato's case they would continue to go to YouTube to discover ne…

> in Beato's case they would continue to go to YouTube to discover new guitar content

He's in a unique market position though because he's got industry respect. Joe Bloggs in his bedroom can't compete with "guitar content" because Dave Gilmore, Pat Matheney and Glynn Johns aren't all going to sit with him for a 2 hour long interview.

Re: Rick Beato is right to rant about music copyright strikes

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Post by AlecSchueler »

dokyun wrote: post #11
bambax wrote: post #10

One answer to this madness is to starve the beast: never buy any music or any content from an established company. Torrent everything. It may not work at all, but at least you can tell yourself you're not helping the bastards.

+1 for Soulseek

It's still better than things like Spotify.

I listen to a lot of traditional Irish music and love to do things like shuffling a playlist of all the same tune by different performers.

To do that on Spotify I need to search the tune name, then create a new playlist and manually add them all.

With my local files I can just grep, even the metadata, and pipe it into a playlist for mpv to play instantly.

Re: Rick Beato is right to rant about music copyright strikes

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Post by rsp1984 »

It gets even crazier when compared to other IP law:

Engineer makes an invention: Write 30-Page patent application. Multi-year patenting process with USPTO, pay 1000s of $ if DIY, 10x that if using an IP law firm. Multiply by 4x if going international. With luck, patent gets issued 3 years later. It protects you for 25 years, but only if you have deep pockets for an IP lawsuit in case someone does copy you -- and with uncertain outcome.

Artist releases a song: automatically enjoys 100+ years of protection, even for minor samples, hooks, melodic elements. Lawsuits are easily won as long as you can prove you are the copyright holder.

I have my theories about how we ended up in this state of affairs but no jurist with a sliver of common sense can seriously claim that this is fine.

Re: Rick Beato is right to rant about music copyright strikes

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Post by stavros »

aquir wrote: post #13

Pirate the music and if you want to support the artist to concerts/gigs and buy merch. These labels are inserted themselves between the fans and the artists w/o any benefit but for themselves.

Well clearly the artists are seeing benefit, otherwise they wouldn't sign up for a label.

Re: Rick Beato is right to rant about music copyright strikes

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Post by hnlmorg »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #21
motoxpro wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither the GP or this comment are viable in the real world. Businesses/creators need continued distribution, see Nike as an example of what happens when you "take your audience elsewhere to monetize them better/more." 1. People buy the other option (in Nike's case they kept going to footlocker and buying other shoes rather than only buying Nike DTC, in Beato's case they would continue to go to YouTube to discover ne…

> in Beato's case they would continue to go to YouTube to discover new guitar content He's in a unique market position though because he's got industry respect. Joe Bloggs in his bedroom can't compete with "guitar content" because Dave Gilmore, Pat Matheney and Glynn Johns aren't all going to sit with him for a 2 hour long interview.

The GP is still correct.

People are lazy. If you add even a small complication for people to consume content, then it doesn’t matter how much respect that content creator has, people will just follow someone else instead.

Google knows this; which is why they can screw over content creators on their platform.

Re: Rick Beato is right to rant about music copyright strikes

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Post by rglullis »

motoxpro wrote: post #18
rglullis wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Few people are buying anything in this world where streaming is the norm and the labels make money by cutting deals with the distribution platforms. The solution for me, in this specific case, would be for Beato to act against YouTube and take his channel elsewhere. He has enough followers to be able to start his own Peertube server, find a few sponsors and keep going forever.

Neither the GP or this comment are viable in the real world. Businesses/creators need continued distribution, see Nike as an example of what happens when you "take your audience elsewhere to monetize them better/more." 1. People buy the other option (in Nike's case they kept going to footlocker and buying other shoes rather than only buying Nike DTC, in Beato's case they would continue to go to YouTube to discover ne…

> then people just go back to living their lives.

If during the switch you got people to download Grayjay, they will be living their lives like they were, except that some of their subscriptions won't be on YouTube anymore.

Re: Rick Beato is right to rant about music copyright strikes

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Post by rglullis »

hnlmorg wrote: post #25
AlecSchueler wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> in Beato's case they would continue to go to YouTube to discover new guitar content He's in a unique market position though because he's got industry respect. Joe Bloggs in his bedroom can't compete with "guitar content" because Dave Gilmore, Pat Matheney and Glynn Johns aren't all going to sit with him for a 2 hour long interview.

The GP is still correct. People are lazy. If you add even a small complication for people to consume content, then it doesn’t matter how much respect that content creator has, people will just follow someone else instead. Google knows this; which is why they can screw over content creators on their platform.

https://grayjay.app/ solves this quite well.

Re: Rick Beato is right to rant about music copyright strikes

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Post by hnlmorg »

rglullis wrote: post #27
hnlmorg wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The GP is still correct. People are lazy. If you add even a small complication for people to consume content, then it doesn’t matter how much respect that content creator has, people will just follow someone else instead. Google knows this; which is why they can screw over content creators on their platform.

https://grayjay.app/ solves this quite well.

Same problem applies: That’s another site to read. Another app to download. Another product to discover.

I nearly didn’t even open the link because I didn’t want to learn something new before I’d had my morning cup of earl grey. Chances are the average consumer wouldn’t bother — assuming they even discover about this to begin with.

Re: Rick Beato is right to rant about music copyright strikes

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Post by JdeBP »

rglullis wrote: post #12
bambax wrote: post #10

One answer to this madness is to starve the beast: never buy any music or any content from an established company. Torrent everything. It may not work at all, but at least you can tell yourself you're not helping the bastards.

Few people are buying anything in this world where streaming is the norm and the labels make money by cutting deals with the distribution platforms. The solution for me, in this specific case, would be for Beato to act against YouTube and take his channel elsewhere. He has enough followers to be able to start his own Peertube server, find a few sponsors and keep going forever.

Given that xe has "a great lawyer", the logical choice for M. Beato is to move to Nebula, if anywhere. That said, xyr lawyer is getting this rejected on fair use grounds again and again.

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLHU0ZUbXX8&t=123s

The beef is less with YouTube and far more with Universal Music Group. After all, it's not as if YouTube has upheld the copyright claims.

The proper outcome is for Universal Music Group to stop the insanity, trying this same thing (reportedly) hundreds of times against the same person across years of that person's video catalogue, and getting the same adverse result every time. (So much for the marketers's claims that "AI" systems learn. (-:)

Unfortunately, there's no obvious pressure point, other than some sort of public boycott of UMG, for making this happen. UMG's lawyers have no financial incentive to stop making claims, and are using robotic tools. YouTube would open a huge can of worms by (say) blanket rejecting copyright claims from UMG, and Google has no incentive for causing this sort of trouble with UMG for itself again. M. Beato doesn't have much in the way of levers to pull, and there's the matter of several other well-known YouTubers reporting (in response to this, but also before) that they continually have to deal with the same thing, which a Beato-only fix would not address.

Re: Rick Beato is right to rant about music copyright strikes

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Post by rglullis »

hnlmorg wrote: post #28
rglullis wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://grayjay.app/ solves this quite well.

Same problem applies: That’s another site to read. Another app to download. Another product to discover. I nearly didn’t even open the link because I didn’t want to learn something new before I’d had my morning cup of earl grey. Chances are the average consumer wouldn’t bother — assuming they even discover about this to begin with.

"Hey everyone, I'm Rick Beato. I am tired of dealing with YouTube constantly threatening my livelihood, so now I will be focused on my own channel. I will be posting here as well for whatever they let me, but to get full videos just download the GrayJay app (link in description) and look for my channel (link also in description)."

That's all it would take to get a few hundred thousand people to download it, and you'd know that the those who are going through the effort are higher-value subscribers, so it would be even easier to bring better sponsors.

I really don't like arguments based on "I am lazy to do that, therefore everyone is". It's at best defeatist cowardice and at worst a malicious way to support the status quo.

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