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Re: Are we decentralized yet?

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You're presupposing that discoverability requires some degree of centralization.

We haven't seen a distributed Google yet. It's not impossible, but each distributed component would have to be at least a small data center.

> We haven't seen a distributed Google

https://yacy.net

Re: Are we decentralized yet?

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The honest truth is that: Nobody outside tech cares about decentralization or federation. At some point, everything converges to centralization. No amount of Mastodon servers or any fediverse self hosted instances spun up will change that. There is a reason that mastodon.social is the biggest instance and that they couldn't close registrations to promote decentralization. Hell, I would even say that threads is the bi…

SMTP, HTTP, DNS, routing protocols work pretty well despite decentralization/federation. Their "problem" is their greatest strength: they're stupidly simple.

E-mail is really ingenious. It doesn't even define how to send and receive messages in the same standard. One standard is just for delivering messages; you have to figure out how you're going to receive them separately.

Of course most people have an e-mail address hosted by one of a handful of large companies. But you don't have to. And if you buy your own domain, changing providers is easy. Delete your old mail on the old server, upload it to the new server, people can still contact you the same way they did before.

I'm not on social media, so I don't have any dog in this fight. But all the properties of a good decentralized/federated platform are already there in decades-old protocols.

Re: Are we decentralized yet?

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The honest truth is that: Nobody outside tech cares about decentralization or federation. At some point, everything converges to centralization. No amount of Mastodon servers or any fediverse self hosted instances spun up will change that. There is a reason that mastodon.social is the biggest instance and that they couldn't close registrations to promote decentralization. Hell, I would even say that threads is the bi…

> Nobody outside tech cares about decentralization or federation.

Until the platform enshittifies like Reddit and Twitter did.

Re: Are we decentralized yet?

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Neat! I'm not surprised at the findings here. BlueSky (for the average user) is pretty much a drop in replacement for Twitter. Despite the smaller total numbers in Mastadon, it's great to see that the ecosystem seems to be successfully avoiding centralization like we've seen in the AT-Proto ecosystem. I suspect that the cost of running AT proto servers/relays is prohibitive for smaller players compared to a Mastadon…

Running a PDS server for yourself and a few friends is not very expensive afaik, but there's also not much benefit to doing so, because the point of the PDS is to have a clean separation between your own data and the rest of the network. The expensive things in ATProto are the Relay (crawls/listens to PDSs to produce the firehose) and the AppView (keeps a DB of all posts/likes/etc to serve users' requests). Expensive…

Running a relay is not expensive anymore (it used to be), with recent changes it's about $30/mo. Running an AppView that ingests all ongoing Bluesky traffic (and puts it into database) is more expensive ($300/mo currently) but if you were happy with a partial view of the network, you could get it down by a lot.

Re: Are we decentralized yet?

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> The only way that makes any sense is if you subtract returns for sales made in a different period to the sales period you are considering Exactly. That's the way accounting works. They did not know in the previous quarter that the product would be returned in the following quarter, so they end up having negative sales in the current quarter. Yes it produces "garbage output", which I find amusing.

But that isn’t how you calculate market share, so what you’re saying is nonsense.

That is how it was calculated in a published trade magazine (either Infoworld or MacWeek, I think) I'm not sure if the the analysis was done by a market research firm or the magazine.

Re: Are we decentralized yet?

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Why can't someone run another App View?

there is https://deer.social

This one isn't an AppView (it's a frontend for Bluesky's). However, https://blacksky.community/ and https://zeppelin.social/ are full AppViews.

Re: Are we decentralized yet?

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But that isn’t how you calculate market share, so what you’re saying is nonsense.

That is how it was calculated in a published trade magazine (either Infoworld or MacWeek, I think) I'm not sure if the the analysis was done by a market research firm or the magazine.

Presumably by a journalist who doesn’t understand what market share is
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