I'd like AI to be the product management layer of the client/mgmt/engineer sandwich as then it has two sets of humans checking the work that are already used to managing around miscommunication. Letting AI do the JIRA work seems like a perfect fit.
Andrew Ng says bottleneck in AI startups isn't coding – it's product management
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Re: Andrew Ng says bottleneck in AI startups isn't coding – it's product management
#12"This tool 10x the productivity of software engineers" "GREAT! That means we can fire the people who do the actual work, and replace them with MBA robots, who neither understand nor care about making a good product" Pardon my pessimism, but in my whole career, I have never met a PM who actual did the work of driving the product vision. Most were just middlemen shuttling information between management, marketing, desi…
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Re: Andrew Ng says bottleneck in AI startups isn't coding – it's product management
#13If AI is that good, can someone code a good XML library with AI? The spec is available. If AI is that good, there should be an explosion of Open Source projects of good quality. Neither of those is happening.
Many people are seeing huge gains in coding productivity with AI. If you're not one of those people it might be useful to evaluate why you aren't experiencing any benefits, instead of claiming that there are none.
Re: Andrew Ng says bottleneck in AI startups isn't coding – it's product management
#14If AI is that good, can someone code a good XML library with AI? The spec is available. If AI is that good, there should be an explosion of Open Source projects of good quality. Neither of those is happening.
The second point is more incentive than AI capability i'd argue. Your point presumes that Open Source === Good. I'm not sure that's how all of society feels, unfortunately, so even if AI can do it at some point...it might not choose to.
Re: Andrew Ng says bottleneck in AI startups isn't coding – it's product management
#15Andrew Ng has had a really sad career trajectory to a point where it's hard to take him seriously anymore. When I started in ML the very first course I took was actually Andrew Ng's course and it was amazingly good. But the past few years whenever he pops up, it always seems to be him repeating the talking points of some AI company that's paying him money. It's like seeing your hero turn into a complete sellout, shoveling bullshit for anyone who pays him.
Re: Andrew Ng says bottleneck in AI startups isn't coding – it's product management
#16I'd love to read this article but the website is cancer. I keep clicking dismiss on mobile and it takes me to another website.
Re: Andrew Ng says bottleneck in AI startups isn't coding – it's product management
#17If AI is that good, can someone code a good XML library with AI? The spec is available. If AI is that good, there should be an explosion of Open Source projects of good quality. Neither of those is happening.
I suspect somebody could. But why? Do you need a new XML library? I don't.
And if you don't need one, why write one? If there is no specific use case in mind, how do you even determine what dimension "good" is measured on?
Re: Andrew Ng says bottleneck in AI startups isn't coding – it's product management
#18If AI is that good, can someone code a good XML library with AI? The spec is available. If AI is that good, there should be an explosion of Open Source projects of good quality. Neither of those is happening.
Many people are seeing huge gains in coding productivity with AI. If you're not one of those people it might be useful to evaluate why you aren't experiencing any benefits, instead of claiming that there are none.
> If you're not one of those people it might be useful to evaluate why you aren't experiencing any benefits, instead of claiming that there are none.
It might be that the gp is smart enough to code without a crutch.
Re: Andrew Ng says bottleneck in AI startups isn't coding – it's product management
#19Coding as such is seldom a bottleneck to begin with. How many times have you been in a conversation along the lines of "we have every detail of the product figured out, but we need another month for the coders to finish writing the code"?
The bottlenecks are almost always elsewhere. Design, quality assurance and debugging, art assets, localizations, hiring, performance management, you name it. And to be fair, AI can streamline some of that.
Re: Andrew Ng says bottleneck in AI startups isn't coding – it's product management
#20"This tool 10x the productivity of software engineers" "GREAT! That means we can fire the people who do the actual work, and replace them with MBA robots, who neither understand nor care about making a good product" Pardon my pessimism, but in my whole career, I have never met a PM who actual did the work of driving the product vision. Most were just middlemen shuttling information between management, marketing, desi…
The Mythical Man-Month was written in 1975, and it seems hardly anyone has still bothered to read it.