Andrew Ng says bottleneck in AI startups isn't coding – it's product management
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Re: Andrew Ng says bottleneck in AI startups isn't coding – it's product management
#2umm thats the issue in most startups. code has docs. product fit does not.
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#4This was always the case.
Re: Andrew Ng says bottleneck in AI startups isn't coding – it's product management
#5I wonder what his colleague Knuth at Stanford says about commercially driven hype like:
"AI has made coding the easy part."
"Things that used to take six engineers three months to build, "my friends and I, we'll just build on a weekend," Ng said.
The man has a complete disdain for the field and for the thousands of open source developers whose code he is using in laundered form.
Re: Andrew Ng says bottleneck in AI startups isn't coding – it's product management
#6I wonder what his colleague Knuth at Stanford says about commercially driven hype like: "AI has made coding the easy part." "Things that used to take six engineers three months to build, "my friends and I, we'll just build on a weekend," Ng said. The man has a complete disdain for the field and for the thousands of open source developers whose code he is using in laundered form.
Good thing those open source developers learned their craft in isolated rooms, never seeing anyone else’s code.
All of culture and technology builds be accreting on top of previous works. I can’t stand the moral outrage from people who are themselves standing on the shoulders of giants.
Re: Andrew Ng says bottleneck in AI startups isn't coding – it's product management
#7It’s actually outreach and business development but yeah it’s not coding or product development anymore. Why? because AI makes it easier to make credible sounding stuff, to maintain the appearance of progress, making it harder to tell who’s the real deal. So everyone is drowning in spammish AI. We all see it in recruiting (in all directions), it’s happening too in sales.
On top of this there’s also a confounding factor where it seems we can all do things we couldn’t before. So everyone is trying to reduce their dependencies and increase their offering. Which is driving down opportunities. The world of business is turning into one of those one-sided conferences where everyone is either look for a job, or looking for a sale. No-one is hiring. No-one is buying.
Re: Andrew Ng says bottleneck in AI startups isn't coding – it's product management
#8"This tool 10x the productivity of software engineers"
"GREAT! That means we can fire the people who do the actual work, and replace them with MBA robots, who neither understand nor care about making a good product"
Pardon my pessimism, but in my whole career, I have never met a PM who actual did the work of driving the product vision. Most were just middlemen shuttling information between management, marketing, design, and engineering. Thinking that hiring more PMs would increase the output in the age of AI is such a childish fantasy.
Re: Andrew Ng says bottleneck in AI startups isn't coding – it's product management
#9I wonder what his colleague Knuth at Stanford says about commercially driven hype like: "AI has made coding the easy part." "Things that used to take six engineers three months to build, "my friends and I, we'll just build on a weekend," Ng said. The man has a complete disdain for the field and for the thousands of open source developers whose code he is using in laundered form.
Good thing those open source developers learned their craft in isolated rooms, never seeing anyone else’s code. All of culture and technology builds be accreting on top of previous works. I can’t stand the moral outrage from people who are themselves standing on the shoulders of giants.
You can get pretty far with just K&R and in isolation if you write algorithmic code. Or with just APUE in isolation.
LLMs cannot, they need vast bodies of stolen text to become remotely useful. For all activities, humans need less training material than the laundromats.
Aside from that, there are legal, philosophical and economic arguments that machines are not the same as humans and do not deserve the same rights. 99.99% of the world population outside of SV hype circles would agree with that.
Re: Andrew Ng says bottleneck in AI startups isn't coding – it's product management
#10If AI is that good, can someone code a good XML library with AI? The spec is available.
If AI is that good, there should be an explosion of Open Source projects of good quality.
Neither of those is happening.