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Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by schwartzworld »

marssaxman wrote: post #97
michaelmior wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Reading stuff freely posted on the internet" is also very different from a business having machines consume large volumes of data posted on the Internet for the purpose of generating value for them without compensating the creators. I'm not making a value judgement one way or the other, but "reading stuff freely posted on the Internet" is an oversimplification.

Okay, but "stealing" is also an oversimplification, to the point of absurdity. It makes no sense to put stuff up on the internet where it can freely be downloaded by anyone at any time, by people who are then free to do whatever they like with it on their own hardware, then complain that people have downloaded that stuff and done what they liked with it on their own hardware. "Having machines consume large volumes of…

What if that data isn’t publicly posted? For example, copilot regurgitating code from private repos, complete with comments.

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by marssaxman »

fcarraldo wrote: post #170
marssaxman wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I meant it exactly as I said it. I do not agree that any theft occurred, either in law or in spirit, and I believe that reinterpretation of intellectual-property law in order to make it a crime would cause significant harm, greatly outweighing the benefits, as has been the case with every other expansion of intellectual property law I have seen.

Anthropic downloaded books from Library Genesis and The Pirate Library mirror. This is factual and reported on from court documents. What’s the angle that describes this as fair use? [0] https://www.businessinsider.com/anthropic-cut-pirated-millio...

The simple fact that they are not republishing any of that data. Fair use does not apply, because copyright does not apply, because nothing is being copied.

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by robwwilliams »

donohoe wrote: post #87

I just logged in on the iOS app and it immediately had a popup giving me the option to opt-out. So yeah, annoying, but they handled it well.

Agreed. I actually want and need Claude and other LLMs to learn from my interactions with them. Exceedingly frustrating that LLMs do not yey hold a longterm memory or embedded trace of conversations per user. I have been asking Anthropic for this option as an opt-in for 6 months.

Sure, I understand the concerns many if you have.

But in my niche areas of cognitive research, genetics, and neurophilosophy I need Claude to be much smarter than it is now. I am happy to share what I know with Anthropic so that zi eventually have a better companion thinker.

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by robwwilliams »

distances wrote: post #173
andreagrandi wrote: post #142

You can opt out. It’s written quit quite clearly

I don't think that retention part was clear at all. It was separate from the opt-out. I assume I'm now opted out but that they'll keep the data for five years anyway.

You want them to flush your conversations on your own schedule. That I can understand. If you delete a conversation it should be DELETED.

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by robwwilliams »

0xbadc0de5 wrote: post #30

I kind of already assumed they were. I've got some pretty niche use-cases that I'd like to see the models get better at thinking their way through. I benefit from their training on my interactions. So I'll opt in. But I'll also recognize that others might not feel that way, so the services should provide a way for users to opt out.

Ditto: was delighted to see this as an option. Am I missing some details? I do not understand the comments in “rug pulls”.

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Post by marssaxman »

godelski wrote: post #179
marssaxman wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In terms of copyright law, it matters very much whether Joe Schmoe is using his own copy of the data for his own purposes, or whether he is making more copies and distributing them to other people. If the AI companies were letting people download copies of their training data, copyright law would certainly have something to say about that. But no: once they download the training data, they keep it, and they don't sha…

> using his own copy of the data Yes? That is a different thing? I guess we can keep moving the topic until we're talking about the same topic if you want. But honestly, I don't want to have that kind of conversation.

How is it a different thing? Are we talking about copyright law, or not?

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by robwwilliams »

wat10000 wrote: post #18

Rather misleading title. Missing the important “unless you ask them not to” part. Sounds like a bit of a dark pattern to push you into accepting it and that’s not cool, but you do get a choice.

You are right. To the best of my knowledge there has notbeen a way to share conversations with Anthropic, and therefore with future versions of Claudes. There was no Opt-in option as far as I know.

Straighten me out if I am wrong.

I need this opt-in to improve the foundational model that they have trained. It is good, but not good enough.

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by marssaxman »

uncletscollie wrote: post #167
marssaxman wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, but "stealing" is also an oversimplification, to the point of absurdity. It makes no sense to put stuff up on the internet where it can freely be downloaded by anyone at any time, by people who are then free to do whatever they like with it on their own hardware, then complain that people have downloaded that stuff and done what they liked with it on their own hardware. "Having machines consume large volumes of…

That is not at all how the internet works. Try to download music from Napster and Lars will sue your ass.

No he certainly will not; you will only get sued if you upload Lars' music to share with other people. If you download an illegal copy, the person you downloaded from is the one breaking the law.

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by robwwilliams »

renewiltord wrote: post #162
dudefeliciano wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you are fine with paying, 20, 90 or 200 euros a month AND having your data mined? i must be getting old...

You have it backwards. I'm paying $200/month and so I want the thing to reflect more what I want than what the general public wants. They'd better be mining my data, despite that being a term I haven't heard in over a decade. Some people were upset that Google Maps would just take the data that contributors give it for free. My problem was different. I use Google Maps and I want a way to correct it. I don't want to b…

Yes, I share your take on this change—a way to improvements in many domains.

Agree that the fact that these improvements will accrue within in a proprietary for profit. But still a net positive fir my work.

Give me a FOSS LLM with Claude 4 Sonnet performance and a 1 million token context and I will work even harder toward improvements in my areas of biological NIH-funded research.

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