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Like Intel before it, AMD blames motherboard makers for burnt-out CPUs

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Re: Like Intel before it, AMD blames motherboard makers for burnt-out CPUs

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The fact that the vast majority of these burnouts are on ASRock is a pretty big smoking gun to me. They're an attractive manufacturer because they're cheap, but at what cost?

My Ryzen recently died on Gigabyte.

Damn. What chip was it, and how long did you have it? Did you do anything to it (overclock, change the voltage)?

Re: Like Intel before it, AMD blames motherboard makers for burnt-out CPUs

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My Ryzen recently died on Gigabyte.

Damn. What chip was it, and how long did you have it? Did you do anything to it (overclock, change the voltage)?

Ryzen 7 5700X3D

>and how long did you have it?

9 months

>Did you do anything to it (overclock, change the voltage)?

Nothing, I just enabled resizable bar in bios and that's it

Re: Like Intel before it, AMD blames motherboard makers for burnt-out CPUs

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If the motherboards are putting too much power into the chips, why isn’t it their fault?

Isn't it the small embedded support CPU core within the CPU I/O die that controls voltages and frequencies? Sure it depends of what is configured in BIOS.

In part, yes, but the whole picture is a bit more complex. Intel and AMD both work with vendors to work out reference designs and power regulator configurations that are compatible with their CPUs. Modern power regulators are relatively complex, especially when you get into the high-end desktop and server space. There are a lot of things that can be done wrong and cause issues, such as voltage or current overshoot when the CPU moves between different power states (e.g. low to high load).

Re: Like Intel before it, AMD blames motherboard makers for burnt-out CPUs

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Having worked with a MOBO manufacturer, I would say that this is somewhat plausible though not necessarily the fault of the engineers. In my experience, both users and company administration, e.g. sales, CEOs have a lot to do with failures. An example, users are used to a particular MOBO brand, they want to try the new gadget-a video card usually, which requires much more power than the recommended power supply. They…

>users bare equal responsibility, a chance to make lots of money & commission from the former, the need to be the first to try cutting edge technology without regards for proper safety, limitations and hardware compatibility, from the latter.

The users do not bear responsibility here. It's up to the manufacturer to say no if it's not possible.

And why are managers testing new GPU/mobo combinations? A company run like that and not learning lessons deserves to fail.

Re: Like Intel before it, AMD blames motherboard makers for burnt-out CPUs

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That's why I like Apple's vertical integration. If something breaks it's 100% their fault that they need to make right to the consumer, they can't tell you to GTFO and go blame someone else to escape responsibility.

Check out Louis Rossmann's youtube channel for how well that logic works out.

God, there's SO many examples of Apple being terrible.

Re: Like Intel before it, AMD blames motherboard makers for burnt-out CPUs

#88
Eh, AMD did the same thing literally last gen. Telling us that moob manufacturers didn't follow spec while they did, it's just that the spec wasn't clear and amd changed it intel style right after it came out.

But it has to be said, that it in this specific instance it seems that only asorck is affected (and has been for months at this point thanks to GN investigation) so my bet is to just wait and see what happens.

Re: Like Intel before it, AMD blames motherboard makers for burnt-out CPUs

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Yeah I know about their extended warranty; then their responsiveness is obviously due to the extended warranty, not any comparative admission of liability. As to "Dell support has flown a repair guy to my place with spare hardware pieces " . You don't know that he wasn't already planning to fly to your area for 5+ other customers anyway. Also it's a less impressive story if you live in a heavily tech area than if you…

> As to "Dell support has flown a repair guy to my place with spare hardware pieces ". You don't know that he wasn't already planning to fly to your area for 5+ other customers anyway. I can tell you that wasn't the case because it was a small town that had a small airport. And they sent the guy next-day from my report. He told me he just flew for my issue and was returning on the same day. If it was some large city…

Dell has multiple warranty levels, and some of them are prohibitively expensive, i.e. average more expensive than replacing the item after 2 yrs.

Re: Like Intel before it, AMD blames motherboard makers for burnt-out CPUs

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> As to "Dell support has flown a repair guy to my place with spare hardware pieces ". You don't know that he wasn't already planning to fly to your area for 5+ other customers anyway. I can tell you that wasn't the case because it was a small town that had a small airport. And they sent the guy next-day from my report. He told me he just flew for my issue and was returning on the same day. If it was some large city…

Dell has multiple warranty levels, and some of them are prohibitively expensive, i.e. average more expensive than replacing the item after 2 yrs.

Oh yeah I don't doubt that.

I just find it amazing that for home desktop PC customers, $45/y gets you 1-2 business day repair in your office.

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