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AI’s coding evolution hinges on collaboration and trust

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Re: AI’s coding evolution hinges on collaboration and trust

#11
Nope, that's not the reason. It's because it's just a query that probabilistically creates a garden path of tokens out of a compressed form of the training data, requiring a real coder to evaluate which parts of are useful.

Amazing how someone writing for an IEEE website can't keep their eyes on the fundamentals.

Re: AI’s coding evolution hinges on collaboration and trust

#13
post #5

AI can't replace humans, but it can be an exoskeleton for human pilots. AI code tab-complete is fantastic. It's at least an order of magnitude more powerful than IDE-assisted auto refactors. AI graphics design tools are probably the single best thing in the field. Editing photos, creating new graphics, making marketing materials, shooting and editing videos is now extremely easy. It's a 100x speed up and a 1000x cost…

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Re: AI’s coding evolution hinges on collaboration and trust

#14
post #7

There's been a strong theme recently here on HN of confusing programming (the act of writing code to meet specifications) and Engineering(the writing of specifications, and the oversight of said process, along with overview of testing). AI is definitely not ready for an Engineering role. My recent experience with ChatGPT5(Preview) via Visual Studio Code tells me that it might perform acceptably as a junior programmer…

No offense but your experience with AI is fairly primitive if that's where you're at.

just stop yeah?

Re: AI’s coding evolution hinges on collaboration and trust

#15
I'm fatigued by these articles that just broadly claim AI can't code because its painting a broad stroke against a widely diverse use of AI for different stacks.

It's horribly outdated way of thinking that an singular AI entity would be able to handle all stacks all problems directed at it because no developer is using it that way.

AI is a great tool for both coders and artists and these outlandish titles that grab attention really seem to be echo chambers aimed at people who are convinced that AI isn't going to replace them which is true but the opposite is also true.

Re: AI’s coding evolution hinges on collaboration and trust

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There's been a strong theme recently here on HN of confusing programming (the act of writing code to meet specifications) and Engineering(the writing of specifications, and the oversight of said process, along with overview of testing). AI is definitely not ready for an Engineering role. My recent experience with ChatGPT5(Preview) via Visual Studio Code tells me that it might perform acceptably as a junior programmer…

> There's been a strong theme recently here on HN of confusing programming (the act of writing code to meet specifications) and Engineering(the writing of specifications, and the oversight of said process, along with overview of testing).

You're making a distinction that might be interesting in some esoteric sense, but that doesn't exist in the industry. When it comes to software, the architects are also the construction crew. There's nothing to confuse if the terms are effectively synonymous.

Re: AI’s coding evolution hinges on collaboration and trust

#17

For me it's simple: even the best models are "lazy" and will confidently declare they're finished when they're obviously not, and the immensely increased amount of training effort to get ChatGPT 5's mild improvements on benchmarks suggests that that quality won't go away anytime soon.

Sounds like it's partially about a nuanced trade-off. It can just as well be too eager and add changes I didn't ask for. Being lazy is better than continuing on a bad path.

Re: AI’s coding evolution hinges on collaboration and trust

#18
post #7

There's been a strong theme recently here on HN of confusing programming (the act of writing code to meet specifications) and Engineering(the writing of specifications, and the oversight of said process, along with overview of testing). AI is definitely not ready for an Engineering role. My recent experience with ChatGPT5(Preview) via Visual Studio Code tells me that it might perform acceptably as a junior programmer…

No offense but your experience with AI is fairly primitive if that's where you're at.

Please elaborate.

Share what you built and how you prompted and what you are making from it, and how many tokens you paid to rummage through.

Re: AI’s coding evolution hinges on collaboration and trust

#20

There's been a strong theme recently here on HN of confusing programming (the act of writing code to meet specifications) and Engineering(the writing of specifications, and the oversight of said process, along with overview of testing). AI is definitely not ready for an Engineering role. My recent experience with ChatGPT5(Preview) via Visual Studio Code tells me that it might perform acceptably as a junior programmer…

Anecdotes are unreliable, for one, your described use case and the tools you are using suggest you are at a very basic level and unable to extract the full capabilities of the tooling and models which many of use to solve if not complete complex software.

Just be aware that AI is a tool not a replacement but a human apt at AI as a tool will replace the former.

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