AI’s coding evolution hinges on collaboration and trust
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AI’s coding evolution hinges on collaboration and trust
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#2For me it's simple: even the best models are "lazy" and will confidently declare they're finished when they're obviously not, and the immensely increased amount of training effort to get ChatGPT 5's mild improvements on benchmarks suggests that that quality won't go away anytime soon.
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#3There's been a strong theme recently here on HN of confusing programming (the act of writing code to meet specifications) and Engineering(the writing of specifications, and the oversight of said process, along with overview of testing).
AI is definitely not ready for an Engineering role. My recent experience with ChatGPT5(Preview) via Visual Studio Code tells me that it might perform acceptably as a junior programmer. However, because I'm an old retired self taught programmer who only ever managed 1 other programmer, I lack the experience to know what's acceptable as a Junior Programmer at FAANG and elsewhere.
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#5AI can't replace humans, but it can be an exoskeleton for human pilots.
AI code tab-complete is fantastic. It's at least an order of magnitude more powerful than IDE-assisted auto refactors.
AI graphics design tools are probably the single best thing in the field. Editing photos, creating new graphics, making marketing materials, shooting and editing videos is now extremely easy. It's a 100x speed up and a 1000x cost reduction. You still have to re-roll the generations repeatedly, but with a competent editing tool you can speed run any design work. This is one area where non-experts can also use the tools.
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#6Using a calculator won't make you a mathematician, but a mathematicians with a calculator can show you amazing things.
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#7There's been a strong theme recently here on HN of confusing programming (the act of writing code to meet specifications) and Engineering(the writing of specifications, and the oversight of said process, along with overview of testing). AI is definitely not ready for an Engineering role. My recent experience with ChatGPT5(Preview) via Visual Studio Code tells me that it might perform acceptably as a junior programmer…
No offense but your experience with AI is fairly primitive if that's where you're at.
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#8Can AI categorically not be a "real coder" or is the limitation in more trivial things such as scope and breadth? My experiences suggest to me that it is technically quite close.
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#9> These kinds of complex tasks can be difficult for AI development tools to navigate, resulting in hallucinations about where the bug is or its root cause, as well as irrelevant suggestions or code fixes with subtle problems.
How is this any different than the way I program?
I've contributed genuinely useful features to FLOSS projects "as well as irrelevant suggestions or code fixes with subtle problems", mostly the latter as there was always a few stages of improvement and/or finishing by the core devs of the program I used to haunt. Honestly, I was less than half as useful as the current crop of robots and they still tolerated (in fact, encouraged) my involvement.
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#10I'm tired of the anthropomorphization marketing behind AI driving this kind of discussion. In a few years, all this talk will sound as dumb as stating "MS Word spell checker will replace writers" or "Photoshop will replace designers".
We'll reap the productivity benefits from this new tool, create more work for ourselves, output will stabilize at a new level and salaries will stagnate again, as it always happens.