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AI adoption linked to 13% decline in jobs for young U.S. workers: study

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Post by pensatoio »

muldvarp wrote: post #3

Brutal that software engineering went from one of the least automatable jobs to a job that is universally agreed to be "most exposed to automation". Was good while it lasted though.

It’s just engineers getting high on their own supply. All the hype men for the software are software engineers (or adjacent.)

Frankly, any time I see research indicating software engineering is at a high risk of being automated, I outright dismiss it as pseudo science. It ain’t happening with current tech.

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Post by mothballed »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #303
Workaccount2 wrote: post #126

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You ban them from coming back in after a few warnings. Stores seem really icy about facial recognition right now though. The optics are pretty bad (a play on words pun?)

Who is going to stop them from coming back in?

There have been a few stores that won't really stop people from coming back, they just quietly file charges, and then the person finds out next time they get pulled over or something along those lines.

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Post by mothballed »

Lovesong wrote: post #91
ArtTimeInvestor wrote: post #46

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Is the theft really happening at the checkout? And if so, why can't we detect it via camera + AI?

You detect someone leaving your store with a 4€ item. What then?

Use your army of lawyers to help file misdemeanor theft charges of course. Then get one out of 100 of the defendants who actually has something to lose to pay big damages to fund it to happen again the next time.

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Post by spwa4 »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #520
spwa4 wrote: post #482

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Cultural differences do exist. I don't understand why this isn't a major problem, because it's behavior I've seen again and again and again: Indians seem terrified of showing any initiative whatsoever (including asking), any own contribution, and do what you've asked them and only what you've asked them. They are also terrified of being accused of doing nothing. This goes to extremes, such as purposefully taking a ve…

Well when you are paid peanuts, you do the bare minimum. And an incentives issue. Some software engineers work and they do the job and if they finish the work early, the company just start having more expectations of them WHILE PAYING THE SAME. So you are effectively catered if you don't work or take more to do the same atleast in the consultancy or similar business in India. I feel like a lot of Indians especially s…

I have often experienced that it isn't a problem of pay or of incentives. They're terrified of asking for something to do for example. As in scared, and not a little bit. Not underpaid.

I'm not claiming they're well-paid, but I don't think this is the issue, or at least not the primary issue.

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Post by Workaccount2 »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #303
Workaccount2 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You ban them from coming back in after a few warnings. Stores seem really icy about facial recognition right now though. The optics are pretty bad (a play on words pun?)

Who is going to stop them from coming back in?

No one, they get automatically flagged, and then someone asks them to leave. Or the police are called and they are trespassed.

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Post by Spivak »

slipperydippery wrote: post #199
Spivak wrote: post #104

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There used to be two humans standing at the cash register, now because of software, automatic change machines, and cameras there is only one. One of those humans' jobs got automated. Call it what you like but replacing the work of humans one for one is difficult and usually not necessary. Reformulating the problem to one that machines can solve is basically the whole game. You don't need a robot front desk worker to…

I do their work. No work got automated.

Do you consider all forms of "self-service" to not be automation of a job that previously required an additional human?

Like checking in at the airport via kiosk/app for example. Do you consider that to be "doing the work" of the desk clerk? Or say ordering at a restaurant by scanning a QR code, in both cases I have to look at the menu, decide what I want, and input my order into a system. But with the QR code there's no longer a human necessary.

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Post by IIAOPSW »

Havoc wrote: post #538

Not sure what these guys are studying but can tell you in the real world - essentially zero AI rollout in accounting world for anything serious. We've got access to some fancy enterprise copilot version, deep research, MS office integration and all that jazz. I use it diligently every day...to make me a summary of today's global news. When I try to apply it to actual accounting work. It hallucinates left, right & cen…

In fairness, a "20% random number generator" on "mission critical code" is something they literally do at NASA

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Post by cyrialize »

Havoc wrote: post #538

Not sure what these guys are studying but can tell you in the real world - essentially zero AI rollout in accounting world for anything serious. We've got access to some fancy enterprise copilot version, deep research, MS office integration and all that jazz. I use it diligently every day...to make me a summary of today's global news. When I try to apply it to actual accounting work. It hallucinates left, right & cen…

There's a very fun video about accounting by Dan Toomey [0] that I think really drives home the point that accounting is:

1) Extremely important

2) Not that glamorous

I always think of accountants as the "nerds" of the finance world. I say this lovingly - I think in another life I would have become an accountant. I find it very fascinating. I worked at a company that worked with auditing datasets, so I knew much more about accounting that I would have otherwise.

Nobody ever wants to listen to accountants because they either are giving you bad news, or telling you the things that you should be doing. No one can deny how important they are, despite how much it seems like everyone wants to get rid of them.

An accounting story I love is how my old company got a lot of business because of Enron. Part of the reason that Enron was caught was due to their audit fees.

Their audit fees were reporting that Arthur Andersen was charging for a huge percentage of non-auditing work (audit fees report what percentage was auditing related and not). This was a huge red flag.

My company was the only one at the time that kept track of audit fees, and so a huge number of people paid to access that data stream.

If one day I quit programming, maybe I'll get my CPA.

[0]: https://youtu.be/vL4INHaK-sA?si=jIvFQVtrXU6tjh-1

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Post by trinix912 »

DecoySalamander wrote: post #509
jedberg wrote: post #360

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> what stops the employer from hiring someone who lives in a cheaper place? I've worked with remote workers from around the world. Let me preface by saying there are of course exceptions but: What I've found is that most often Americans exhibit self-starting and creativity. What I mean by that is non-us workers are great if you give them a specific task, even a really hard task. But if you give them a nebulous proble…

> And I rarely see non-americans say something like "I think our customers would like it if we added X to the product, can I work on that?". The most crucial difference in this context is that Americans are employed directly by the company, while foreign workers are behind several layers of management belonging to several companies. While you can walk around and deliver elevator pitches to higher-ups, foreign workers…

Exactly. I used to work in such a situation for a few years (consulting company hiring EE devs). I tried suggesting things, building PoC’s, pitching it to the manager, all was met with just “we’re on a limited budget, so stick with what we’ve arranged.”

Had I built the things anyway it wouldn’t be met with praise, but looked down upon for bypassing the manager (or I just wouldn’t get paid for those hours).

Many big corporations tend to be similar even when you’re employed directly.

You can’t truly be creative when you’re stuck 7 layers of mgmt deep. You also have to understand that for those who’ve only worked in such situations, “risking” their position at a foreign company just to appear smart doesn’t seem like a good idea, so they don’t do it.

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Post by viridian »

closewith wrote: post #556
viridian wrote: post #551

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I would advise against it, personally. Its a passive aggressive, thought terminating cliche that might as well be saying "I know better than you".

> Its a passive aggressive, I think it's read as passive aggressive when people realise they've been holding a silly opinion don't want to admit it. > thought terminating cliche The irony. > that might as well be saying "I know better than you". Sometimes people do know better than you. I think I should reflect on that.

You've made my case for me, if by "I think I should reflect on that", you do in fact mean "[you've] been holding a silly opinion don't want to admit it".

The former is a passive-aggressive way to say the latter. I aim to, and encourage others to say what they mean.

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