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AI adoption linked to 13% decline in jobs for young U.S. workers: study
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Re: AI adoption linked to 13% decline in jobs for young U.S. workers: study
#492AI is the popular cover excuse for layoffs. I can’t think of a single job that modern AI could easily replace.
> AI is the popular cover excuse for layoffs.
That I agree with. The problem with the assertion that AI took all these jobs is that the normalised point from which they took for assessing job losses is right at the peak of epic programmer hiring.
> I can’t think of a single job that modern AI could easily replace.
That I am less sure of.
Re: AI adoption linked to 13% decline in jobs for young U.S. workers: study
#493This is good though right? There was decline in manufacturing jobs in the West over the last several decades because we could automate and outsource to cut costs. We all agree that cheap iPhones and clothes are good... Right...?
Now we get cheap services too!
Job losses to automation shouldn't be a sudden concern to people. This has been happening for decades. The only difference is that it's now impacting the more privileged in society as well.
Re: AI adoption linked to 13% decline in jobs for young U.S. workers: study
#494Earlier quoted context omitted.
The jobs are going to India
American workers are truly under attack from all sides. H1B. Outsourcing. What's left? The blue collar manufacturing is mostly gone. White collar work well on its way out. Why is our own government (by the people for the people) actively assisting in destroying American's ability to get jobs (H1B)? Especially in these conditions. I'm no racist or idiot but it's unacceptable. I didn't expect the gov to actively be con…
Your government no longer works for you, it works for a small group of billionaires. Does it make sense then?
Re: AI adoption linked to 13% decline in jobs for young U.S. workers: study
#495Brutal that software engineering went from one of the least automatable jobs to a job that is universally agreed to be "most exposed to automation". Was good while it lasted though.
If it gets to the point where I can no longer find a tech job I am just going to buy a trailer, live somewhere cheap, and just make money doing odd jobs while spending most of my time programming what I want. I don't want to participate in a society where all I have for job options is a McJob or some Amazon warehouse.
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Re: AI adoption linked to 13% decline in jobs for young U.S. workers: study
#496Lots of people are sceptical but I cannot imagine a use for entry level positions anymore. At my work everybody got to calling AI "the intern", which is not confusing because we do not have and have no use for interns.
So what are the long term risks when senior staff leaves and those need to be replaced with new seniors that have never seen the existing work vs. promoting younger people who knows the projects and practises?
These days normally what corporates do is bring in people from abroad who have the skills.
The idea that companies would seek to train up domestic workers if there is a skill shortage is outdated today – even if theoretically this might be good for the domestic workforce. It's just cheaper and easier to import the skills needed.
Re: AI adoption linked to 13% decline in jobs for young U.S. workers: study
#497Is it pure AI or a guy in India that can cover the gap using AI to create good enough slop to pass? Everyone is doubling down on hiring IN India right now. H1B isn’t even a thing. It’s offshoring to Indians that are utilizing AI to ship good enough slop. Everyone’s India office is rapidly expanding.
I have a controversial take that the only reason knowledge jobs have been well paid and fairly safe in the West was because for a while they've been difficult to outsource, not because the skills themselves are particularly rare or hard to acquire.
A few decades ago there was a focus in several low-cost economies (like China) to build out a manufacturing base and because of cheap global shipping it just made sense to outsource manufacturing. It's not that manufacturing is unskilled or "unproductive" as some claim.
Over the last few years hundreds of middles of people from countries like India have gotten online and in many of those countries today education and English is sufficient that with the internet knowledge jobs can be outsourced. And so obviously they will be.
This idea that there are jobs that require such high IQ and knowledge that only a Westerner can do them is kinda silly. We should assume a race to the bottom is the rule when it comes to labour. At the end of it the only jobs that will be safe are those which cannot be easily automated or easily outsourced. Those will probably be skilled manual labour jobs that require a physical presence – jobs like roofing or plumbing.
Re: AI adoption linked to 13% decline in jobs for young U.S. workers: study
#498This past year, I’ve seen a lot of entry-level jobs quietly disappear. It’s not that people are getting laid off, it’s that no one’s hiring beginners anymore. What’s really missing isn’t just the jobs, it’s the chance to grow. If there’s nowhere to start, how are new people supposed to get in and learn?
Unfortunately i think many of those jobs can also be attributed to general economic health post low interest rates.
Companies now need to leave pre-revenue and turn a profit, or if you’re an established company you need to cut costs/increase margins from other economic headwinds (tariffs, inflation, gov policies etc)
A Junior dev (and most devs onboarding) will typically require 6-8 months to start being able to meaningfully contribute, then there’s a general oversight/mentorship for a few years after.
Yes they produce, however I think junior’s market salary plus the opportunity cost lost of the higher salaried mid and senior level in mentoring is a hard pill to swallow.
The team i work on is stretched very thin, and even after layoffs (which management agreed they went too far with) it’s pulling teeth to get another dev to build things companies are begging for and even willing to separately pay cash upfront for us to build
If you’re getting into the current job market as a junior, you’ll likely need to go heavy in the buzzword tech, accept a position from a smaller company that pays substantially less, then in 1-2 years job hop into a higher paying mid level role (not to say 1-2 years makes anyone mid level imo)
Re: AI adoption linked to 13% decline in jobs for young U.S. workers: study
#499AI is the popular cover excuse for layoffs. I can’t think of a single job that modern AI could easily replace.
It doesn't have to replace people on a one-for-one basis to cause job losses. Let's say LLMs make your developers 50% more efficient. Doesn't it stand to reason you can lay off the lowest performing 33% and get the same amount (or more) of work?
Have you ever been at a company where the limiting factor was finding stuff to build? I've never seen one personally.
If there's any productivity increase, they'll just build even more stuff.
(And that's if we agree about a 50% increase I'd say 5% is already generous)
Re: AI adoption linked to 13% decline in jobs for young U.S. workers: study
#500This past year, I’ve seen a lot of entry-level jobs quietly disappear. It’s not that people are getting laid off, it’s that no one’s hiring beginners anymore. What’s really missing isn’t just the jobs, it’s the chance to grow. If there’s nowhere to start, how are new people supposed to get in and learn?
The question is always: Is this simply the effects of a recession or AI?
No one wants to hire juniors, but when the alternative is too expensive they are an acceptable solution.
Or if you have some incentive structure where you can get more work out of them like consultancies.
With a market flooded with senior people accepting a paycut for a job why even attempt hiring juniors?